Meaningless and stupid cricket statistics

[Starfighter]

Stat was brought in the current Aus vs Afg match that Zampa averages 20 in wins and 49 in losses. No **** that good performances help a team to win, as I said in the opening post.

 

[Coronis]

Stat was brought in the current Aus vs Afg match that Zampa averages 20 in wins and 49 in losses. No **** that good performances help a team to win, as I said in the opening post.

Notable batsmen in tests that average above their career average in losses (min 20 innings)

Victor Trumper (41.52)
Craig Ervine (39.16)
Nawab of Pataudi (36.05)

Notable batsmen in tests that average below their career average in wins (min 20 innings)

Sunil Gavaskar (43.97)
Stan McCabe (43.89)
Risbah Pant (42.64)
Chris Gayle (41.54)
Peter May (40.10)
Bill Brown (40.09)
Michael Vaughan (38.08)
Charles Macartney (36.11)
Nathan Astle (34.41) - his own 222nd fault
Alan Knott (28.58)
Zak Crawley (28.52) - it can get worse

Probably missed a few on the second list.

 

[Coronis]

Bob Willis took 16 5’fers for England without taking a single 10’fer. Joining him on the podium we have Ray Lindwall and Fidel Edwards - both with 12 5’fers.

Of current players we have Hazelwood with 10, Bumrah and Wagner with 9.

As these are all pacers we have Mohammad Rafique and Fred Titmus leading the way with 7 for the spinners. Current players chasing include Roston Chase and Noman Ali with 4.

 

[Immenso]

Bob Willis took 16 5’fers for England without taking a single 10’fer. Joining him on the podium we have Ray Lindwall and Fidel Edwards - both with 12 5’fers.

Of current players we have Hazelwood with 10, Bumrah and Wagner with 9.

As these are all pacers we have Mohammad Rafique and Fred Titmus leading the way with 7 for the spinners. Current players chasing include Roston Chase and Noman Ali with 4.

So, Hazelwood has now exited this chat.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

So, Hazelwood has now exited this chat.

Hazlewood still does not have a ten for

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Bob Willis took 16 5’fers for England without taking a single 10’fer. Joining him on the podium we have Ray Lindwall and Fidel Edwards - both with 12 5’fers.

Of current players we have Hazelwood with 10, Bumrah and Wagner with 9.

As these are all pacers we have Mohammad Rafique and Fred Titmus leading the way with 7 for the spinners. Current players chasing include Roston Chase and Noman Ali with 4.

Incredible that Fidel Edwards had 12 5fors from 55 Tests but only averaged 37 with the ball..
I mean had he had more fifers than Andy Roberts , Mitchell Johnson, Joel Garner etc having played less tests ..Shows what a wasted talent he was.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Incredible that Fidel Edwards had 12 5fors from 55 Tests but only averaged 37 with the ball..
I mean had he had more fifers than Andy Roberts , Mitchell Johnson, Joel Garner etc having played less tests ..Shows what a wasted talent he was.

Not really, just shows how meaningless "number of 5-fors" is as a statistic for judging bowlers. Fidel Edwards wasn't that good

 

[ataraxia]

Not really, just shows how meaningless "number of 5-fors" is as a statistic for judging bowlers. Fidel Edwards wasn't that good

Absolutely, same for centuries (well, in the sense of "judging how good a player is"; these stats are still definitely useful for "judging the type of player that a player is")

 

[Coronis]

All 8 tests in 2024 have had at least 1 5’fer.

 

[mr_mister]

Absolutely, same for centuries (well, in the sense of "judging how good a player is"; these stats are still definitely useful for "judging the type of player that a player is")

Centuries is kinda different as with wickets if you bowl enough overs you'll take them eventually

and someone like Fidel who was the attack spearhead will get a lot of overs

 

[Coronis]

Players who were much more/less successful opening vs the middle order. (min 20 innings opening)

Better opening
Mitchell 2390 @ 56.90 vs 1081 @ 37.27
Khawaja 2722 @ 56.70 vs 2641 @ 39.41
Simpson 3664 @ 55.51 vs 1205 @ 31.71
Ponsford 1517 @ 54.17 vs 605 @ 37.81
Amiss 3276 @ 53.70 vs 336 @ 19.76
Woodfull 2036 @ 50.90 vs 264 @ 26.40
Katich 2928 @ 50.48 vs 1260 @ 36.00
Rohit 2242 @ 48.73 vs 1585 @ 39.62
Langer 5112 @ 48.22 vs 2584 @ 40.37
Gibbs 5242 @ 47.22 vs 925 @ 25.69
Vaughan 3093 @ 45.48 vs 2626 @ 37.51
Stewart 3348 @ 44.64 vs 5115 @ 36.79
Gooch 7811 @ 43.88 vs 1089 @ 35.12
Atapattu 5317 @ 43.22 vs 185 @ 10.27 (20 innings!)
Majid Khan 1985 @ 42.23 vs 1946 @ 36.03
Watson 2049 @ 40.98 vs 1682 @ 30.03
Mankad 1548 @ 40.73 vs 561 @ 19.34


Worse opening
Dravid 807 @ 42.47 vs 12481 @ 53.11
Kirsten 5726 @ 41.79 vs 1563 @ 65.12
de Villiers 1265 @ 36.14 vs 7500 @ 54.34
Taylor 1228 @ 36.11 vs 1708 @ 44.94
Trumper 1650 @ 33.00 vs 1513 @ 48.80
Blewett 588 @ 29.40 vs 1964 @ 35.70
Laxman 685 @ 28.54 vs 8096 @ 48.47
Howarth 535 @ 24.31 vs 1996 @ 35.64
Masakadza 564 @ 23.50 vs 1659 @ 33.18
Bailey 484 @ 21.04 vs 1806 @ 33.04

 

[Immenso]

Worse opening

Taylor 1228 @ 36.11 vs 1708 @ 44.94

Which Taylor is this?

 

[howitzer]

Which Taylor is this?

Good question.

 

[howitzer]

Good question.

Herbie.

 

[howitzer]

Players who were much more/less successful opening vs the middle order. (min 20 innings opening)

Better opening

Amiss 3276 @ 53.70 vs 336 @ 19.76

Things really went amiss for him in the middle order.

 

[Coronis]

Which Taylor is this?

That famous Taylor guy who opened

 

[Immenso]

That famous Taylor guy who opened

But I don't ever recall Tubby not opening. So, don't know he he'd get on this list.

 

[Coronis]

But I don't ever recall Tubby not opening. So, don't know he he'd get on this list.

Just a joke man dw. Yeah Tubby was always opening. Player it refers to is Herbie Taylor from South Africa. Played just prior to WWI and into the 30’s. One of their best early bats.

 

[Victor Ian]

So it appears opening is the easier gig. So greats who get points for opening compared to their middle order rivals can gagf.

 

[SeamUp]

Not really, just shows how meaningless "number of 5-fors" is as a statistic for judging bowlers. Fidel Edwards wasn't that good

Centuries is kinda different as with wickets if you bowl enough overs you'll take them eventually

and someone like Fidel who was the attack spearhead will get a lot of overs

100% Mr Mister
If you are in a good team, 5-fors generally mean that there is a good chance you bowling your team to victory with no real dominance in bowling overs or over-reliance. Match-winning ability doesn't necessarily mean you are the better cricketer than someone who wins enough games but is also consistent in-between but I still think it is a stat to take into consideration and context like all are.