*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[Nintendo]

It's amusing how the haters pick lines out of interviews to suit their own standpoint.

At the moment, England's spinners have taken 33 wickets at 33.9 whilst India have 23 at 38.4. The difference really is Bumrah, if England can see him off more often than not (clearly easier said than done) then it would appear they can score runs against the others.

And this is why a little bit of common sense thrown into the Bazball madness can still make improvements on where we've got to.

But haters gonna hate no matter what.....

Stokes probably deserves a bit of credit for this, tbf. From the period's of play i've seen for either side, england's spinner's have definitely delivered more loose balls then there indian counterpart's, stokes has just done a better job as a captain by putting fielders in the right places for the spinners. The shubman gill dismissal in the 4th innings of the 1st test is a classic example of this. I can't think of another captain who would have had that fielder in at that point in the innings (The indian batsmen have also just hit a few bad balls to fielders, ashwin and bharat in the 1st innings of this test are a good example of that, but that's besides the point).

 

[Molehill]

Stokes probably deserves a bit of credit for this, tbf. From the period's of play i've seen for either side, england's spinner's have definitely delivered more loose balls then there indian counterpart's, stokes has just done a better job as a captain by putting fielders in the right places for the spinners. The shubman gill dismissal in the 4th innings of the 1st test is a classic example of this. I can't think of another captain who would have had that fielder in at that point in the innings (The indian batsmen have also just hit a few bad balls to fielders, ashwin and bharat in the 1st innings of this test are a good example of that, but that's besides the point).

Yeah, he somehow does attacking and defensive at the same time. England edged a few wide of slip, yet Stokes somehow had a second slip in to pick up a couple.

I'm sure India will go on to win this series, but the level of competitiveness shown by this England team has surprised me (cue utter demolition in the next 3).

 

[Socerer 01]

Stokes probably deserves a bit of credit for this, tbf. From the period's of play i've seen for either side, england's spinner's have definitely delivered more loose balls then there indian counterpart's, stokes has just done a better job as a captain by putting fielders in the right places for the spinners. The shubman gill dismissal in the 4th innings of the 1st test is a classic example of this. I can't think of another captain who would have had that fielder in at that point in the innings (The indian batsmen have also just hit a few bad balls to fielders, ashwin and bharat in the 1st innings of this test are a good example of that, but that's besides the point).

yeah this series is an indictment of Rohit the test captain if anything

 

[Molehill]

I hadn't realised that Anderson and Bashir were exactly 100 apart in the players capped by England at 613 and 713. 513 btw was Les Taylor (2 caps) who must be one of the few English players to have a 100% winning record in Tests, both of which were against Australia in 1985.

Surprised the BBC haven't done one of their quizzes getting us to name the 99 players between Jimmy and Shoaib.

 

[chris.hinton]

I hadn't realised that Anderson and Bashir were exactly 100 apart in the players capped by England at 613 and 713. 513 btw was Les Taylor (2 caps) who must be one of the few English players to have a 100% winning record in Tests, both of which were against Australia in 1985.

Surprised the BBC haven't done one of their quizzes getting us to name the 99 players between Jimmy and Shoaib.

So it was 18 years between Les and Jimmy and 20/21 years between Jimmy and Shoaib

 

[Chin Music]

I hadn't realised that Anderson and Bashir were exactly 100 apart in the players capped by England at 613 and 713. 513 btw was Les Taylor (2 caps) who must be one of the few English players to have a 100% winning record in Tests, both of which were against Australia in 1985.

Surprised the BBC haven't done one of their quizzes getting us to name the 99 players between Jimmy and Shoaib.

Surely you should go and try and get that on sporcle! They struggle with having too many good cricket quizzes there.

 

[chris.hinton]

713 players have played Test Cricket for England. But only 466 have played for Australia in the same period

 

[mackembhoy]

I hadn't realised that Anderson and Bashir were exactly 100 apart in the players capped by England at 613 and 713. 513 btw was Les Taylor (2 caps) who must be one of the few English players to have a 100% winning record in Tests, both of which were against Australia in 1985.

Surprised the BBC haven't done one of their quizzes getting us to name the 99 players between Jimmy and Shoaib.

I think they just pull it off Sporcle. But here is that quiz if anyone wants to take a stab.

Anthony McGrath who is cap 614 must have made his debut in the same game as Jimmy and is missing from the list, just as an FYI

England Test debutants between Anderson and Bashir Quiz - By Wisden2020 (sporcle.com)

 

[Molehill]

713 players have played Test Cricket for England. But only 466 have played for Australia in the same period

Probably as a result of having fewer FC teams, and also having played less Tests (over 200).

And maybe having fewer shite periods when you go through loads trying to find someone of Test standard.

 

[Anil]

Yeah, he somehow does attacking and defensive at the same time. England edged a few wide of slip, yet Stokes somehow had a second slip in to pick up a couple.

I'm sure India will go on to win this series, but the level of competitiveness shown by this England team has surprised me (cue utter demolition in the next 3).

There won't be any demolitions in this series...I expected it to be competitive and I think it will be a dog fight until the end. England has a solid chance to win the series. It's primarily Indian bowling vs England batting in these conditions and England will continue to be favorites in any high pressure situations.

 

[honestbharani]

Its honestly the weakest Indian side I think we have put out since the early 2000s at home. England should absolutely fancy themselves here.



EDIT - added the "at home" bit.

 

[Daemon]

Its honestly the weakest Indian side I think we have put out since the early 2000s. England should absolutely fancy themselves here.

SL vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Galle, August 12 - 15, 2015

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, SL vs IND, India tour of Sri Lanka 2015 at Galle International Stadium dated August 12 - 15, 2015.

www.espncricinfo.com

I think this may be worse (bowling is garbage, batting was better)

Well past it Harbhajan
Varun ****ing Aaron
Amit Mehshra
Not yet good Ishant

Kohli, Dhawan, Rahane and Ashwin were the only good players. KL and Rohit were there too but they were noob versions.

 

[Molehill]

Its honestly the weakest Indian side I think we have put out since the early 2000s. England should absolutely fancy themselves here.

Whilst Bumrah is in the side and in this level of form, it can't be the weakest. But if England can get through his spells, then there's definitely runs on offer elsewhere.

 

[honestbharani]

SL vs IND Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Galle, August 12 - 15, 2015

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, SL vs IND, India tour of Sri Lanka 2015 at Galle International Stadium dated August 12 - 15, 2015.

www.espncricinfo.com

I think this may be worse (bowling is garbage, batting was better)

Well past it Harbhajan
Varun ****ing Aaron
Amit Mehshra
Not yet good Ishant

Kohli, Dhawan, Rahane and Ashwin were the only good players. KL and Rohit were there too but they were noob versions.

Yeah but it was away. I meant home. I see now I did not specify it in the original post. My bad.

 

[honestbharani]

Whilst Bumrah is in the side and in this level of form, it can't be the weakest. But if England can get through his spells, then there's definitely runs on offer elsewhere.

I meant from the batting PoV too. This batting line up is hot garbage outside of the openers tbh.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah there are worse bowling attacks we've fielded I think but this batting is pretty diabolical

 

[danzydab]

bumrah could rest 3rd test. that would be a massive boost for england

 

[kevinw]

bumrah could rest 3rd test. that would be a massive boost for england

I can't believe they would rest him with the series in the balance.

 

[Prince EWS]

I can't believe they would rest him with the series in the balance.

What would Glennco do?

 

[wpdavid]

So it was 18 years between Les and Jimmy and 20/21 years between Jimmy and Shoaib

An absolutely horrendous number of the Les to Jimmy 100 would have made their fist appearances in 1986, 1988 or 1989, when the selectors completely lost their marbles.