honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Remember when I said maybe some of them struggle with the execution. I think its silly to assume any board did not want to roll out pitches that suited their side at home. They all did.
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How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?
- Thread starter subshakerz
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kyear2
International Coach
So genuine question. What pitches helps Australia and England for example?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
When Australia had express pacers leading the attack pitches like Gabba was the Australian fortress. England also historically thrived on a tad bit slow wickets with high lateral movement.
kyear2
International Coach
I referenced historically earlier already (which apparently doesn't count), I meant the last 14 years where everyone's doing it apparently.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I think one important thing you should consider why India's strategy works and others can't just copy India and make like pace heavens; is simply that India has Ashwin and Jadeja. So making turners at home always puts touring spinners at a disadvantage as barring an occasional Nathan Lyon or now retired Rangana Herath; there aren't just many comparable spinners. That doesn't works for any other country. Australia has Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, India has Bumrah Shami Siraj, South Africa has Rabada Ngidi Nortje, New Zealand has Boult Wagner Southee, England has Anderson Robinson and till last year Broad; all in all just around equal or atleast comparable quality of pacers in World's top teams. So what now works for India just doesn't for others. Australia, England, SA, NZ all tries to make pitches in which there players will perform well; as slower pitches tends to favour England or Australia nowadays likes flat ones; but none of them gets that boost over other comparable teams. Atleast that's what I think....
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Aussies love bouncy roads (that is, least sideways movement, either swing or spin).
England love swinging conditions (at least used to, before Bazball).
kyear2
International Coach
So basically no, not everyone does it.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Kinda.... More like others can't do this.
kyear2
International Coach
Don't all fast bowlers like pitches with bounce though? And what most pitches are like?
Now I could be wrong, but aren't the swinging conditions in England due more to the actual conditions and not the pitches?
Again, not saying what India does is right or wrong, I'm saying it's to the extremes not seen since Murali et al.
kyear2
International Coach
See that's the cop out....
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
If you want to think like that.... Or it's just that India has something which others don't.
kyear2
International Coach
Dude, seriously?
You know what, never mind. Don't know why I'm surprised.
This doesn't make them better btw. Just seem weaker than they actually are, which is a damn good team.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Now I am totally confused.... What do you even want to say? Australians plays better on bouncy tracks, English on swingers, Indians on turners. On making one more bouncy track like the 70s Gabba, etc. doesn't gives Australia any significant advantage as most top tier teams have comparable pace batteries. The same can't be said for spinners, leaving India with an advantage. To put it simply, Indians can just lean more into their strength, is just because they a have significant plus over others. I can't see the problem in it, as pretty much every team makes pitches as they like, India just happens to have a type on which they're significantly better, that's all.
Actually they do. England have had seaming conditions for a good while (you can check CricViz tweets for this) for their seamers. Australia can leverage their bouncier tracks because they have an all time great tall and fast set of bowlers, who can leverage extra bounce and pace compared to their relative oppositions, WI have legitimately switched balls and prepared seaming tracks for their pacers, and NZ largely stuck to making pitches like those in their FC competition which are flatter than most countries. SA of course had Faf beg for bowling friendly pitches for their pacers.
That most sides have developed more fast bowlers who can get something across all types of conditions is to their credit, but doesn't change the fact that whether intentionally or not, pitches have largely suited the home team.
subshakerz
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In India, sure.
Coronis
International Coach
Nobody cares tho
Prince EWS
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#SCGSoSpinny
Slifer
International Captain
Migara is trolling. He rates India's attack as the best of all time because they have multiple players rated in the top 20. That's good and all, but the strength of an attack is to have bowlers capable of performing home and away. Outside of Bumrah, India doesn't have that. Their attack is very good away but not great
