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How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
Because generally the Indian tracks they played on in 2001 and 2004/5 acted like that in the first half of the games and they scored fine.
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And Ind batsmen have scored massively as well maintaining great records, even despite playing a good amount on rank tuners, like Rohit, Kohli and Pujara
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
Why is them scoring fine better than the Indian bats of a few years ago scoring huge when not on rank turners? Several of them were averaging 60+ at home even with x amount of rank turners.
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I expect several to do well but again they haven't faced an entire allrounder attack anything of this quality before. And guys like Rahane still average 35 at home.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
PlayerComparisons said:
Kohli is still averaging 60+ at home I think
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And Rohit, Agrawal and Pant.

Plus some other some other sub 60 big numbers.
subshakerz said:
I expect several to do well but again they haven't faced an entire allrounder attack anything of this quality before. And guys like Rahane still average 35 at home.
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Rahane is the exception, not the norm. Even their 3 spinners collectively average about this at home.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Here is how I see it going:

For WI, understanding that they don't have a quality spinner, Indian curators prepare three rank turners followed by a slow, low pitch, pretty much the same as the recent Aus 2023 series.

The rank turners are 50/50 shootouts, but WI through sheer pace and Marshall's cutter will overcome the slow last test wicket. Result: Either 3-1 to WI or 2-2 draw.

For Aus, given the Warne/MacGill threat, Indian curators take a more cautious approach. They start with a classic Indian pitch that begins to turn day 3, followed by two flat tracks and finally a rank turner. One flat track test is a mega running scoring draw, the other flat track test sees Australia win thanks to scoreboard pressure and McGrath/Gillespie choking the bats ala 2004/5. Ashwin/Jadeja and Warne/MacGill share a victory each respectively in the other tests. Result: 2-1 to Australia after a tough series.

In both series, Kohli's India starts out well but their opposition gets stronger as the series moves along and they adjust to the conditions.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
Here is how I see it going:

For WI, understanding that they don't have a quality spinner, Indian curators prepare three rank turners followed by a slow, low pitch, pretty much the same as the recent Aus 2023 series.

The rank turners are 50/50 shootouts, but WI through sheer pace and Marshall's cutter will overcome the slow last test wicket. Result: Either 3-1 to WI or 2-2 draw.

For Aus, given the Warne/MacGill threat, Indian curators take a more cautious approach. They start with a classic Indian pitch that begins to turn day 3, followed by two flat tracks and finally a rank turner. One flat track test is a mega running scoring draw, the other flat track test sees Australia win thanks to scoreboard pressure and McGrath/Gillespie choking the bats ala 2004/5. Ashwin/Jadeja and Warne/MacGill share a victory each respectively in the other tests. Result: 2-1 to Australia after a tough series.

In both series, Kohli's India starts out well but their opposition gets stronger as the series moves along and they adjust to the conditions.
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Mcgrath/Gillespie in Ind are just about as good Shami/Umesh/Ishant here. Anything the former can do on SC pitches here, so can the latter.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
HouHsiaoHsien said:
Mcgrath/Gillespie in Ind are just about as good Shami/Umesh/Ishant here. Anything the former can do on SC pitches here, so can the latter.
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First off, McGrath/Gillespie are just very different bowlers than those three in how they operated so this is just factually not true.

Second, McGrath/Gillespie were the prime wicket-takers in India with serious series hauls in 2001 and 2004/5, Shami and co was largely support act to the spinners, rarely winning matches on their lonesome.

Third, McGrath/Gillespie earned their stats as away bowlers bowling to higher grade bats on less supportive wickets.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
I honestly don't think even the WI quartet can outperform Ashwin and Jadeja on a slow turning track, that's basically their backyard
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Viv and Harper will bowl them to victory at least once in a series on a rank turner, like Hartly and Root did yesterday. This is where India's policy of pitches will backfire.

And there is absolutely no way that WI pace quarter, the greatest bowling unit ever assembled, will have a full series in India without winning one game of their own too.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
First off, McGrath/Gillespie are just very different bowlers than those three in how they operated so this is just factually not true.

Second, McGrath/Gillespie were the prime wicket-takers in India with serious series hauls in 2001 and 2004/5, Shami and co was largely support act to the spinners, rarely winning matches on their lonesome.

Third, McGrath/Gillespie earned their stats as away bowlers bowling to higher grade bats on less supportive wickets.
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Mcgrath doesn’t even have one fifer in India
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
First off, McGrath/Gillespie are just very different bowlers than those three in how they operated so this is just factually not true.

Second, McGrath/Gillespie were the prime wicket-takers in India with serious series hauls in 2001 and 2004/5, Shami and co was largely support act to the spinners, rarely winning matches on their lonesome.

Third, McGrath/Gillespie earned their stats as away bowlers bowling to higher grade bats on less supportive wickets.
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And that’s what they need to do. It’s not their fault Warne isn’t much good in Ind(wasn’t even that good in the 2004 series).
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
HouHsiaoHsien said:
And that’s what they need to do. It’s not their fault Warne isn’t much good in Ind(wasn’t even that good in the 2004 series).
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Yes but Indian pacers were feeding off the spinner pressure, not setting up most games themselves. Putting them on McGrath level, who was continually stiffling Indian bats even when he wasnt getting wickets, doesnt make sense to me. McGrath and Gillespie were awesome with the new ball in a way the others werent.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
HouHsiaoHsien said:
Even them
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No, you're wrong. The lineups they destroyed had most if not all of the main Indian bats. Stop making excuses because it is painfully obvious you don't need to be a high grade spinner to get wickets and win games against India on most of their sporting pitches.
 
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