Nah, Australia, and even Ponting, are much better equipped than India to pile on runs on a slow turning flat track. That is their bread and butter man.
Ok but I am saying Australia doesn't have a weakness against spin relative to India.
Nah man, on flatish turning tracks (not flat, but not huge turners as well), like India has produced over the past decade (rank turners like Nagpur are the rarity) Australian batsmen don't have any advantage. India is better suited to bat on those, they have done so for years.
Australia kinda those.... Ponting, Langer and Gilly all averages under 30 in India, in flatter tracks. That's a major problem. Australia definitely has quality batsmen, but in these pitches, India is well ahead as a batting unit.
No way am I expecting Rohit/Kohli/Pujara/Rahane/Pant to score more runs against McGrath/Gillespie/Warne/MacGill than Hayden/Ponting, et al against Ishant/Shami/Ashwin/Jadeja on a flat slow turner. The flatter the wicket, the more batting and bowling difference between the sides actually matters. Those types of wickets were pretty much what we saw in 2001 and 2004/5 and Australia were regularly scoring 350 plus in their 1st innings.
Those are three bats out of seven. India never faced a bowling lineup close to ATG Australia.
India never faced an ATG Aussie batting line-up??? Now I have a ton of questions what do you even consider an Australian ATG batting line-up. Also, man that's the thing, those are "3 of 7" and that's a big deal if your 3 batsmen have routinely failed in friendlier conditions. Also, there are a variety of wickets between flat tracks and rank turners (i.e. most of the Indian pitches), and there India team thrives with Shami, Umesh, Ishant giving early breakthroughs routinely better than tourists and Ash/Jaddu completely dominating most line-ups. There, India is a better batting line-up with sufficient depth with Axar/Washington at 9; and in those pitches Australia is by no means a better batting side.
Ishant/Shami/Ashwin/Jadeja is a more potent attack in such conditions. And in 2001 and 2005, our bowling wasn’t near to what it is now
And Aus haven’t faced a lineup like the peak Indian one, in similar conditions
Sure but they faced far better attacks than the Indian batting has.
It ain't once you have a flat slow turner. Let's just disagree here.
What are you basing this on
But Ashwin and Jadeja aren't as dangerous as Root and Hartley
Oh yesBut Ashwin and Jadeja aren't as dangerous as Root and Hartley
Because generally the Indian tracks they played on in 2001 and 2004/5 acted like that in the first half of the games and they scored fine.
We are just saying that the tracks India plays on aren't those early 2000s flat ones; and they aren't rank turners. India is a better team for batting and bowling on such conditions. Australia did lose to a pretty mid Indian bowling in 2001.
That way Kohli and Rohit have massive 600 run halls at home, and even Pujara has dominated some series(one with especially tough tracks like the 2016/17).
This is the point. Ashwin/Jadeja are being made out to be something else when even ordinary spinners look worldclass in these conditions.But Ashwin and Jadeja aren't as dangerous as Root and Hartley
They are rank turners depending on the series that turn from Day 1. I am talking about the occasional slow turning wicket.
I ain't cheapening Bhajji's performance, but Ash and Jaddu have done so consistently over and over again and again. I don't expect a flat track, one rank turner and three decent turners. The rank turner is a toss up pretty much; but India do have a sufficient advantage on any decent turning track. In this wickets Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, heck even Rahane, Vijay, Pant, Jadeja, Ashwin have thrived. Don't expect Aussies to just come and outperform them on their home turf. The same goes for the bowling as well. Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, MacGill all would be excellent, but expecting them to just come and outperform the Indian bowlers is really harsh to them.
Why is them scoring fine better than the Indian bats of a few years ago scoring huge when not on rank turners? Several of them were averaging 60+ at home even with x amount of rank turners.
Ok so let's do it this way.