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How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

Migara

Migara

International Coach
kyear2 said:
You do know there were helmets in the '80's, WSC basically revolutionized and advanced protection.

And if you think anyone could intimidate Viv or Lloyd, you've never watched cricket.
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Viv and Lloyd are only two players. I have seen medium pace of Asantha de Silva and fast medium of Rumesh Ratnayeke pulling teeth out of WI batsmen. Viv and Lloyd are good, but the rest is open for terror. And that is what exactly happened in 75 tour. Let's be real.
 
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reyrey

U19 Captain
Brett Lee was obviously very fast, but his pace didn't trouble good batsmen. Often heard it said that the way he ran in showing the ball made his 95mph+ pace much easier to face than guys slower than him who had a bowling action that concealed the ball until their release point.
 
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Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
Migara said:
Viv and Lloyd are only two players. I have seen medium pace of Asantha de Silva and fast medium of Rumesh Ratnayeke pulling teeth out of WI batsmen. Viv and Lloyd are good, but the rest is open for terror. And that is what exactly happened in 75 tour. Let's be real.
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Yeah this dude is trolling...
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
Migara said:
Nah, great bowling is about fear factor too. Once it is taken away, it is not the same. Just like when a mystery spinner is deciphered. Bowling is still the same, no longer it is a mystery.

Make the conditions of 80s, and Put McGrath Gillespie and Lee on it and I am pretty sure some of WI batsmen will start to run away from Lee, who will have a free reign on terror tactics due to two excellent controlled bowling colleagues he has. And remember this side will now have the advantage of inflicting pain and terror in to opposition batting who are batting in sun hats. 80 WI rarely challenged with extreme pace from opposition. Only time they were challenged was in 75. Then Lillee and Thommo both regressed in pace. Hadlee and Imran were terrific, but they never were tearaway fast bowlers. Only man that gave trouble with pace was Wasim, who was couple of yards slower than express even in his prime. They faced no one with pace of Akthar, Lee, Tait, Bond or Waqar with regularity. And these guys are regularly faster than any of the WI bowlers during the time too. So I will not look in to that 80s condition argument much.
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Come on, you are way underestimating Thommo and Lillee 74/75 by grouping them with Lee and Gillispee. Holding and Marshall are definitely at that Bond/ Waqar range in terms of speed. Holding arguably in Lee/ Akhtar level.
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
India start as a favourites against both. But, I would think Indies has a better shot in winning than us due to their superior bowling attack. Though, Ashwin and Jadeja in turners should seal India the series win.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Patience and Accuracy+Gut said:
Come on, you are way underestimating Thommo and Lillee 74/75 by grouping them with Lee and Gillispee. Holding and Marshall are definitely at that Bond/ Waqar range in terms of speed. Holding arguably in Lee/ Akhtar level.
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Based on everything I’ve heard - the only bowlers I’d be comfortable placing in that Lee/Akhtar level of speed would be Thomson and Tyson.
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
Coronis said:
Based on everything I’ve heard - the only bowlers I’d be comfortable placing in that Lee/Akhtar level of speed would be Thomson and Tyson.
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Peak Holding was very quick as well. Thommo was definitely quicker than Lee by a decent margin. Not 175 kmph or whatever he claims but Peak Thommo would have consistently clicked high 150s and the low 160s.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Patience and Accuracy+Gut said:
Nah. He was slower than that. They had him bowling 90 mph, I think 92 at top speed from footage with possibility of being first to crack 150 kmph (93 mph). Incredible for a guy standing at 5 ft 7 and played nearly 100 Years ago but not quite at Lee/ Akhtar level.
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From somewhere I got the figure 155 I believe. Not cracking 160s; but hey, I think close enough.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
reyrey said:
Brett Lee was obviously very fast, but his pace didn't trouble good batsmen. Often heard it said that the way he ran in showing the ball made his 95mph+ pace much easier to face than guys slower than him who had a bowling action that concealed the ball until their release point.
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That pf course is true. That is the reason why Malinga who was 5-8k slower than Lee injured much more international quality batsman than Lee. Would have been nightmarish against Thomson who was of Lee's pace.
 
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