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*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour
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Arachnodouche
International Captain
Maybe this is just bias against batsmen but a horses for courses policy for batsmen feels more degrading for the batsman concerned than it does for bowlers. Bowlers are mostly given leeway to thrive or toil based on conditions; so should batsmen, ideally, but there seems more criticism leveled at someone who's batting out of his element. I suppose we expect the latter to find a way through batting technique alone which ultimately is fully self-contained as opposed to bowlers who always have the middle-mode of the wicket to enhance or detract from their effectiveness regardless of bowling technique.
SillyCowCorner1
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‘Cry More’ is playing to the tune of Dream On in my head.
Molehill
International Captain
That's the key bit. Even on this pitch, you suspect that the Test level seamers would be somewhat more problematic to Indian batsmen that Rehan and Hartley. The run rate would certainly be massively different. It's even more concerning that Root has outbowled them too.
I somewhat doubt this match will see Day 4, India to be bowling for a little spell before Lunch and then clean everything up sometime after Tea.
JavaHurricane
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
So far this Test has gone a lot along the lines of the Nagpur game last year. I won't be surprised if, as in that game, India bat for an hour more tomorrow and then wrap up an innings win by Tea. With the variable bounce worsening and at least one use of the surface-breaking heavy roller all but certain in the morning tomorrow, England's batters may all be caught like cats on hot tin roofs. Possibly Root aside, they might try slogging their way out of trouble and lose their stumps to the spin trio.
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, this one's all a bit boring now, which was always likely. Ideally India will declare first thing to put the game out of its misery, but they probably won't. It's hard to disagree with the comments on this page about the selection of Hartley and, to some extent, Rehan. At least one genuinely test class seamer instead of the former must have asked more questions of the Indian batters. Beyond that, it's just the latest evidence of the consequences of our domestic system forcing nearly all of the CC games to be played in Spring and Autumn instead of the Summer. Not that we'd have been likely to beat India in India anyway, but we might at least have some serious options in the spin department. And it's probably worth remembering this tour when the usual idiots moan about Somerset or whoever producing a pitch that takes some turn before tea on Day 4.
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Bring back Monty Panesar
mackembhoy
International Debutant
Even Jeetan Patel is arrogant/delusional you take your pick
In sports where there is a score, I think every sane person in the world looks at the score.
In sports where there is a score, I think every sane person in the world looks at the score.
It's like they've all fallen in with a cult
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
I guess he's technically correct that someone who only just walked into the ground without knowing the score literally might not know we're getting trounced.*
Aidan11
International Vice-Captain
I guess this means we'll be moral winners again.
This Indian team is a really tough proposition at home because of their spin options.
Their batting can be vulnerable, it's nowhere the quality of the great Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Ganguly era.
But the current side has good depth to their batting - Jadeja, Ashwin and Axar just give them so many options.
The Aussies showed they can be troubled but in the end India do what they do at home.
On turning pitches they'll nearly always ouyplay the opposition. At 2-1 they then produced a road ensuring the draw that they need.
This England team's weakness is our spinners. Leach is decent but hasn't played for months. Ahmed is very promising but I genuinely don't know why we've picked Hartley.
Unless one of the pitches is a road, I don't see us drawing a test, nevermind winning one.
Shady Slim
International Coach
a pinnacle of Shady Slim Thought is not just picking spinners for the sake of it when you tour the subcontinent and thinking bowling on subcontinent wickets are spin go brrrrrrrr; nine times out of eight a really good pace bowler will do better than your average mediocre spinner unless it’s the sort of pitch where dean elgar could rip a five for like that nagpur one
and yet many WANGS touring teams all fall for this trap again and again
and yet many WANGS touring teams all fall for this trap again and again
Shri
Mr. Glass
Spark
Global Moderator
If he had actually done that it would have been a substantial improvement over what he produced.
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Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar are incredibly difficult to play in India but there’s a reason why they’re not automatic selections in many other countries
Spark
Global Moderator
I mean the main reason for this is because they play for the same team (Ashwin and Jadeja that is, I still don't really rate Axar)
Kenneth Viljoen
International Debutant
Because India also have some pretty decent seamers who are better suited to conditions abroad ?