How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[subshakerz]

Assuming a four test match series, what would be the scoreline for these two teams facing current India in Indian conditions?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not the current India team, but the one from 2019, when India actually had some performing dependable batsmen except Virat. I expect both teams to loose 2-1, with Australia having a higher chance of success due to Warne. Current India team..... I would probably say still 2-1 for Windies if India really wants to win, as they lack a proper match winning spinner. The WI quartet was very successful in India, and the Indian quartet wasn't really at all; but they still didn't played in really comparable turning conditions. Simultaneously, I expect Australia to draw the series. While Warne failed in India, the pitches were much flatter and the batsmen exceptional better players of spin. A big turner won't be really nice for the Indians as well.

 

[subshakerz]

Not the current India team, but the one from 2019, when India actually had some performing dependable batsmen except Virat. I expect both teams to loose 2-1, with Australia having a higher chance of success due to Warne. Current India team..... I would probably say still 2-1 for Windies if India really wants to win, as they lack a proper match winning spinner. The WI quartet was very successful in India, and the Indian quartet wasn't really at all; but they still didn't played in really comparable turning conditions. Simultaneously, I expect Australia to draw the series. While Warne failed in India, the pitches were much flatter and the batsmen exceptional better players of spin. A big turner won't be really nice for the Indians as well.

I don't see Australia doing anything less than drawing the series, especially if they play Warne plus MacGill on these pitches.

 

[subshakerz]

Not the current India team, but the one from 2019, when India actually had some performing dependable batsmen except Virat. I expect both teams to loose 2-1, with Australia having a higher chance of success due to Warne. Current India team..... I would probably say still 2-1 for Windies if India really wants to win, as they lack a proper match winning spinner. The WI quartet was very successful in India, and the Indian quartet wasn't really at all; but they still didn't played in really comparable turning conditions. Simultaneously, I expect Australia to draw the series. While Warne failed in India, the pitches were much flatter and the batsmen exceptional better players of spin. A big turner won't be really nice for the Indians as well.

I see Roger Harper winning a game for WI given the success lesser spinners have had the last decade in India.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't see Australia doing anything less than drawing the series, especially if they play Warne plus MacGill on these pitches.

I see Roger Harper winning a game for WI given the success lesser spinners have had the last decade in India.

Harper was actually a little unlucky bowler, but I still think Marshall or Roberts have a better chance of winning a game here. Overall, I think both teams will still likely lose, with Australia having a better chance of winning and especially drawing due to Warne and MacGill.

 

[subshakerz]

Harper was actually a little unlucky bowler, but I still think Marshall or Roberts have a better chance of winning a game here. Overall, I think both teams will still likely lose, with Australia having a better chance of winning and especially drawing due to Warne and MacGill.

McGrath and Gillespie would also be a handful too as they both did well in India.

 

[capt_Luffy]

McGrath and Gillespie would also be a handful too as they both did well in India.

Definitely. Comparatively Australian bowling could even be better in India, or atleast very close.

 

[Slifer]

Both WI and Australia would probably lose I'd say by no more than one test. So 2-1 each. People who think either team would be blanked are delusional. Australia lost back to back series 2-1 in India and none of those teams were better than either the 80s WI team or 2000 Australia.

 

[ma1978]

I don’t think there’s much in it. Either side could win, draw or lose a series. I’d guess a draw for both.

 

[kyear2]

I don’t think there’s much in it. Either side could win, draw or lose a series. I’d guess a draw for both.

I believe this

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I don't see Australia doing anything less than drawing the series, especially if they play Warne plus MacGill on these pitches.

Smith is also a better player of spin than anyone in the 2000s team by some margin. Even he at his best could only ensure a draw for Aus. Ashwin/Jadeja, regardless of pitches and all, are the best duo in India, and don’t see Warne outperforming Ashwin in India(Ashwin even strikes at less than 50 in India, something even Murali in SL doesn’t). Against Ind of this generation with peak Ashwin/Jadeja and Kohli/Pant/Rohit/Pujara in form, I’d back Ind to win 2-1 or to draw.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

McGrath and Gillespie would also be a handful too as they both did well in India.

Also Shami, Umesh have terrific records in India as well, and then there’s Bumrah(who has to prove himself on SC tracks, but seems to be doing well till now).

 

[subshakerz]

Also Shami, Umesh have terrific records in India as well, and then there’s Bumrah(who has to prove himself on SC tracks, but seems to be doing well till now).

Yes it will be a tight contest. I just think that India wouldn't spice their pitches up for fear of letting Warne and MacGill go on a rampage.

 

[subshakerz]

Smith is also a better player of spin than anyone in the 2000s team by some margin. Even he at his best could only ensure a draw for Aus.

Smith was a one man show while Australia have an ATG batting lineup.

Ashwin/Jadeja, regardless of pitches and all, are the best duo in India, and don’t see Warne outperforming Ashwin in India(Ashwin even strikes at less than 50 in India, something even Murali in SL doesn’t). Against Ind of this generation with peak Ashwin/Jadeja and Kohli/Pant/Rohit/Pujara in form, I’d back Ind to win 2-1 or to draw.

Kohli/Pant/Rohit/Pujara are not Sidhu/Laxman/Tendulkar/Sehwag that Warne faced but a much inferior level of spin playing bats. They gave guys like Harmer, Tahir, etc. awesome figures.

So it evens out because Jadeja/Ashwin will be bowling to a better batting lineup they faced while Warne/MacGill will be bowling to an inferior one than the lineups they did.

Australia with much inferior sides could manage back to back competitive 2-1 series in India in 2017 and 2023.

2000s Australia to me isnt going back without a draw.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Smith was a one man show while Australia have an ATG batting lineup.


Kohli/Pant/Rohit/Pujara are not Sidhu/Laxman/Tendulkar/Sehwag that Warne faced but a much inferior level of spin playing bats. They gave guys like Harmer, Tahir, etc. awesome figures.

So it evens out because Jadeja/Ashwin will be bowling to a better batting lineup they faced while Warne/MacGill will be bowling to an inferior one than the lineups they did.

Australia with much inferior sides could manage back to back competitive 2-1 series in India in 2017 and 2023.

2000s Australia to me isnt going back without a draw.

Australia is a better batting line-up than India in anywhere but India. Langer, Gilchrist, all struggled in India, let alone their best batsman Ponting; on much much flatter tracks. Even their better spin players in Hayden, Waugh and Martyn have never really played in good turners while in India. I don't think I would back Australian batting much in India, as I have my doubts regarding the effectiveness of Hayden sweeping Ashwin. Though it's not a dunk for Indian batting as well, I have my questions of how they will handle Warne, McGrath and co, but I still think Indian batting is still better in India. Bowling wise, I would say it's also really close, but I would again give the lead to India. Warne and MacGill can reck havoc, but I don't think they will come and be as good as Ashwin and Jadeja; and despite how good McGrath and Gillespie are, I think Shami and Bumrah can match them in India. Again, this Australian side toured India 4 times between 2000 and 2010, and won only once against a much weaker attack on much friendlier pitches. I would probably say; India has a 40% chance to win, Australia 30% and there is a 30% chance for a draw.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Smith was a one man show while Australia have an ATG batting lineup.


Kohli/Pant/Rohit/Pujara are not Sidhu/Laxman/Tendulkar/Sehwag that Warne faced but a much inferior level of spin playing bats. They gave guys like Harmer, Tahir, etc. awesome figures.

So it evens out because Jadeja/Ashwin will be bowling to a better batting lineup they faced while Warne/MacGill will be bowling to an inferior one than the lineups they did.

Australia with much inferior sides could manage back to back competitive 2-1 series in India in 2017 and 2023.

2000s Australia to me isnt going back without a draw.

2000s Aus don’t have anywhere near an ATG batting lineup when it comes to playing spin

 

[subshakerz]

2000s Aus don’t have anywhere near an ATG batting lineup when it comes to playing spin

Hayden, Martyn, Clarke, Gilly, Lehman, all fine players of spin.

 

[subshakerz]

Australia is a better batting line-up than India in anywhere but India. Langer, Gilchrist, all struggled in India, let alone their best batsman Ponting; on much much flatter tracks. Even their better spin players in Hayden, Waugh and Martyn have never really played in good turners while in India. I don't think I would back Australian batting much in India, as I have my doubts regarding the effectiveness of Hayden sweeping Ashwin. Though it's not a dunk for Indian batting as well, I have my questions of how they will handle Warne, McGrath and co, but I still think Indian batting is still better in India. Bowling wise, I would say it's also really close, but I would again give the lead to India. Warne and MacGill can reck havoc, but I don't think they will come and be as good as Ashwin and Jadeja; and despite how good McGrath and Gillespie are, I think Shami and Bumrah can match them in India. Again, this Australian side toured India 4 times between 2000 and 2010, and won only once against a much weaker attack on much friendlier pitches. I would probably say; India has a 40% chance to win, Australia 30% and there is a 30% chance for a draw.

Again, you ignore the fact that comparatively ordinary Aussie sides with worse batting and bowling in 2017 and 2023 were able to be quite competitive with India and lose 2-1. I don't see a much better Aussie side doing anything but be better than them. So I favor a draw to be safe if not an Aussie win.

In fact, I think India would be so spooked by Warne and co to not prepare killer pitches.

 

[Xix2565]

I think they'd both lose. 2-1 would be the kind proposition where the pitches are ridiculous but otherwise they'll have too many dead overs to compete properly.

 

[kyear2]

Contrary to popular belief the WI batsmen were not useless vs spin. Greenidge, Richards, Lloyd and Kallicharran were all good vs spin, and I would like to see this Indian batting line up vs an attack of Marshall, Holding, Garner and Harper

Similarly Warne and McGill aren't facing Tendulkar and co, this lineup isn't any where near that one in terms of prowess vs spin.

Think both series would probably end in draws, but wouldn't rule out a victory by any party involved.