*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[sledger]

Time to give the ball to Root tbh

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Where is Chris Schofield when you need him

Or Ian Salisbury

 

[StephenZA]

Continuing on with Hartley at this stage is pretty brain dead... it smacks of just not wanting to change plans, because this is what we decided come hell or high water.

 

[Spark]

Well you can point out that we didn't do too badly with three spinners. That said, from what I've seen of both of them, Kuhnemann, who didn't really bowl that well, is a noticeably better bowler than Hartley - whose main justification for selection on this tour is that he's tall and can bat.

He could still come back and grab wickets if he can find the right length and pace.

Yeah Kuhnemann didn't look amazing but he did the thing you have to do: he bowled fast and at middle stump with reasonable consistency, at least for the first two games he played. Plus he turned it the opposite way to the rest of the spinners. Hartley meanwhile is all over the place and too slow.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Poor lad has been thrown to the lions getting the new ball like this and being kept on. Kinda reminds me of Bryce McGain's one Test. Although he was not a bad bowler, just got thrown to Kallis, Prince & De Villiers in full flow on a flat Newlands pitch.

Albie Morkel as well, got 58 in next to no time..
Was also his only test

 

[Molehill]

Ideally you'd want a right arm off spinner to bowl to Jaiswal, our only option is Root....

 

[Pothas]

Stokes injury just hamstrings us again as it did in the Ashes with the balance.

He shouldn't have played the World Cup gone and gone for surgery soon as the Ashes finished. He may well have been able to bowl here.

Said as much at the time. Said hope we/he doesn't regret the decision if impacts this tour.

That being said Root as third spinner wouldn't be any worse than Hartley right now.

Yeah Root as the third spinner would be absolutely fine. The quality of the first two spinners is obviously the real issue.

 

[Spark]

There were a few points in that tour where Cummins kept bowling Kuhnemann over himself or one of the pacers who honestly would've been more threatening.

That was only at Delhi where Axar and Ashwin had that partnership right?

 

[chris.hinton]

Hartley shouldn't open

BAZBALL IS BRAVE but needs logic

 

[Xix2565]

That was only at Delhi where Axar and Ashwin had that partnership right?

Yeah, Cummins went home after the 2nd Test.

 

[social]

Yeah Kuhnemann didn't look amazing but he did the thing you have to do: he bowled fast and at middle stump with reasonable consistency, at least for the first two games he played. Plus he turned it the opposite way to the rest of the spinners. Hartley meanwhile is all over the place and too slow.

We’re also ignoring the fact that Leach has been trash & at least he’s experienced

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

This Jaiswal means business. Kinda reminds me of Dhawan's run a ball century on debut about 10 years ago (I think it was on debut?)

 

[RightArmMystery]

Still going with Hartley. This is bonkers

 

[Spark]

But yeah England's prospects in this series have just gone off a cliff if this is what their attack is going to be like. I'm not overly convinced by this Indian batting lineup but they will absolutely, mercilessly slaughter **** spinners, no matter the pitch.

 

[sledger]

Continuing on with Hartley at this stage is pretty brain dead... it smacks of just not wanting to change plans, because this is what we decided come hell or high water.

They're probably trying to avoid having to bring on Ahmed and having him get annihilated tbh.

 

[Molehill]

Hartley shouldn't open

BAZBALL IS BRAVE but needs logic

Unless they're already thinking that Hartley is never going to have much of an International career and it's Rehan who needs protecting.

 

[RightArmMystery]

And starts the over with a massive half tracker. This is awful. Heck of a half century from Jaiswal though, what a gun.

 

[Spark]

We’re also ignoring the fact that Leach has been trash & at least he’s experienced

Can't be easy for him with zero support at the other end

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Get Root on

I thought Root was gonna take the new ball... wouldn't have felt as much pressure with more experience and his place not on the line. Oh well

 

[Spark]

11 overs left. Jaiswal could get to a hundred tonight if Hartley is kept on.