Kenneth Viljoen
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Thing is his Test record is not bad for a young spinner , 36 test wickets @ 33.97 and he was only 23 years old when he last played for England plus he can bat ..would fit into England's Bazball plans
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Leach, Ahmed, Hartley - terrible England spin "attacks" in the SC
- Thread starter Ali TT
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His last four tests, all in the subcontinent in early 2021:
8-130 in Galle
4-125 in Galle
5-126 in Chennai
0-71 in Ahmedabad
I know he got cheap wickets in that SL series, but cheap wickets are better than none. It's obviously been a couple of lean(ish) years in county cricket and he moved around a bit in 2023, averaging 44 and 42 in 2022. But the talent is there if you can get it out of him.
Starfighter
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An interesting one is the '84-'85 India series where they went in with Edmonds and a 38 year old Pocock as their spinners. On rather flat pitches they averaged 42 and 50 and England won 2-1 thanks to them putting in one good performance in the second test and Foster's 11 wickets in the fourth.
Yep.
I think Hussain said in a video. They don't look for batting averages. Rather than character.
He's been batting at 3 in Zimbabwe.
wpdavid
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I think they both did well enough, especially Giles iirc. Not that it matters terribly, but Salisbury played in Pakistan, was awful, and Croft replaced him in SL.
wpdavid
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Funny how the memory plays tricks, because I assumed that their figures were better than that. Obviously I forgot their less effective matches in that series. Even allowing for Emburey and Underwood being unavailable, it does show that a lack of decent English spinners isn't a new phenomenon.
flibbertyjibber
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Leach is our best by a mile, plus he keeps control usually. Certainly compared to Moeen he had control of the scoring rate apart from in Australia.
He got a solo Test match in India
Other forgettable LAS bowlers in India are Samit Patel and Liam Dawson
Dawson got 2-129 from 43 overs (exactly 3rpo) in an innings of 759-7d (the Karun Nair triple century). Mo - 1-190 from 41, Rash - 1-153 from 29. In England's first innings, Jadeja got 3-106 and Ashwin 1-151. Dawson's figures were fine.
Figures of 2 for 129 are utterly forgettable no matter how you try paint it.
Cope
andruid
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I blame Kallis.
fredfertang
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Call for Moeen and Rash
When Ashwin got worse?
You're not even making a point now.
One bowler had slightly less worse bowling figures in a game compared to another. Here is some out of the box thinking for you. Maybe both bowling performances were utterly forgettable!
You seem to somehow think that Dawson getting a couple of wickets at a time when India were in total control is somehow a "fine" performance. He got his 2 utterly meaningless wickets after India were on 435 and 754.
Just save us both some time and admit you have a man crush on Dawson. That would at least explain why you think figures of 2 for 129 are "fine" vs forgettable.
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