subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It's not about defensiveness. It is about the inability to have an extra gear or accelerate when settled for much of his career. Which translates into pressing your advantage.
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Virat Kohli vs Jacques Kallis
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
No bro, but relative aggressiveness for a no.4 in a lineup of otherwise accumulators is important.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, that's important. But those accumulators are also important. Kohli is that aggressive no 4 and Kallis that accumulator....
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
There are plenty of occasions when Kallis couldn't step it up when the situation demanded it.
Defensive bats, for the most part, will end up being rated lesser by me than other ATG bats.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
And what about the various times when the pitch called for Virat to stick to the crease, but despite looking in shape he got out to an obnoxious shot.... Aka, his career between 2019-2022.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah and until he makes up for that backslide, specifically with good tours in NZ and England, I don't mind others putting Kallis ahead.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Very magnanimous of you...
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You're welcome. Let it not be said I let bias cloud my judgment.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
So you agree Kallis>Ponting as Test Batsmen?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
No, of course not Ponting is ahead of Kallis. Ponting was behind Lara and Tendulkar as the best bat of his era.
If Kohli continues to finish well, Kohli vs Ponting would be interesting.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Ponting literally danced in India and in England also whenever ball swung..... Ponting was a great player of pace and bounce and probably the best batsman after Don in a flat track even against great bowlers; but his lateral movement problem is too big for me to ignore.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Kallis struggled in SL and was worse than Ponting in England. Plus Ponting was one of the most intimidating batsmen of the era.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Ponting was worse in India than even Kohli in England..... Kallis nowhere reached such a low.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Kallis in Eng was worse than Kohli in Eng since Kohli atleast proved him properly on one tour to Eng, Kallis except for one big knock(182 in 2012) was mediocre to horrible(2008) in Eng
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
I wouldn’t say Kohli in Eng is the benchmark for lows like Ponting in Ind, since he had an ATG tour there
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Was he Kohli 2014 horrible though?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yes, Kohli have proven himself in England in 2018, but to make up for that abomination of 2014 and rest of cheap innings; he needs another such tour, or atleast a close one.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Ponting has a decent record everywhere except Ind, Kallis sucks in Eng and SL. Ponting had a better peak. So Ponting I guess
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
In 2008 he scored 104 runs@14. So yes