Molehill
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So basically Cummins legacy will be somewhere along the lines of Anderson (aged 35-41), but with a bit of cheating thrown in too.
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What will Pat Cummins’ legacy be?
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Gob
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Haha Anderson's away ashes record from 2010/11 is meaningless af. Keeps it tight before down hill skiing for some cheap tail end wickets to end up with something like 100 for 4. Absolutely no impact what so ever
Would be lucky to make in to the 5th AT ashes combined XI bowling attack
Would be lucky to make in to the 5th AT ashes combined XI bowling attack
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TheJediBrah
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McGrath/Cummins/Miller/Warne/O'Reilly
If you go the 2 spinners route, then it's a choice between Cummins and Lillee
If you go the 2 spinners route, then it's a choice between Cummins and Lillee
Fuller Pilch
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If you picked that attack, surely Miller would get the new ball and Cummins bowl 1st change.
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People are having a laugh when they're suggesting that Anderson's record in Australia since 2010/11 is anything but horrible, right? You know, the games in which the team record is played 15, lost 13, and where very few of the games were at all competitive? Is this an argument people are really making?
If Anderson's average in those games is decent that just tells me that bowling averages are kind of meaningless over such sample sizes without heavy caveats.
If Anderson's average in those games is decent that just tells me that bowling averages are kind of meaningless over such sample sizes without heavy caveats.
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Pommie Anderson fans delusion tell me something else new
Fuller Pilch
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If it hadn't been for Anderson's 0* off 6 on the last tour it would be played 15, lost 14.
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Horrible is an exaggeration. He's just been worse than the averages indicate because he's barely picked up 3 wickets a game which isn't enough for your strike bowler.
TheJediBrah
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He's been a bit like Kallis the bowler, bowling dry not really threatening so the batsmen can sit on him and left it to the other bowlers to hunt for wickets. Which gives you better looking stats than value you really provided.
Difference is Kallis had an excellent bowling attack around him so bowling dry was his job
Difference is Kallis had an excellent bowling attack around him so bowling dry was his job
subshakerz
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You gotta have Lillee too, no?
Calm_profit
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Broad has been the better bowler even in Australia even though both have same averages in Australia.
11-Got injured
13-14 best bowler for England
17-18 Anderson was better
21-22 Again broad was better,took a 5-fer in SCG which was slow pitch.
11-Got injured
13-14 best bowler for England
17-18 Anderson was better
21-22 Again broad was better,took a 5-fer in SCG which was slow pitch.
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Thoroughly enjoying this thread.
On one side you have a few one eyed (cheating) Australians insisting that only the Ashes count and on the other you have a couple of England supporters cooking up excuses for Anderson.
Sprinkle in some Qlder single digit IQ posts, a couple of libertarian jokes at PEWS’ expense and it’s been a joy to read.
Only missing a fuller pilch plug for some random NZ player and subshaker trolling hb to complete the cw meme universe.
On one side you have a few one eyed (cheating) Australians insisting that only the Ashes count and on the other you have a couple of England supporters cooking up excuses for Anderson.
Sprinkle in some Qlder single digit IQ posts, a couple of libertarian jokes at PEWS’ expense and it’s been a joy to read.
Only missing a fuller pilch plug for some random NZ player and subshaker trolling hb to complete the cw meme universe.
Patience and Accuracy+Gut
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Lindwall is pretty close too. Definitely not that much behind Lillee, if at all.
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if you're in conditions which necessitate two spinners, it's not real cricket anyway.
TheJediBrah
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#SCGsospinny
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
It's not all about Australia though. For some reason, hardly any team seems to perform well there (I think we may need to take our own chef next time!), except strangely India. Anderson does have a winning series there, and in India too. I think the only place he doesn't have a win is bizarrely the W Indies. Cummins on the other hand has neither wins in England or India, something he will almost certainly never get.
Getting outbowled by the second highest wicket taking seamer in Test History is hardly a crime.