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What would a modern player need to beat Bradman?

Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Migara said:
Exact opposite with happens with bowling to batting. As there are batsmen who has not scored, there a lot more bowlers who have not taken a wicket.

Now in log transformation 0 s are excluded because ln(0) is undefined. This inflates the expected values compared to universal batting average. Exact opposite happens with bowling where ln(infinity) is undefined and removed from transformation. This makes bowling averages to be less than universal average, hence deflation.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with "zero inflation" as discussed in the paper, which has an entire section dedicated to it. It should probably be more accurately called "duck inflation" or "duck overrepresentation" instead.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
Bradman was more than twice as valuable than Tendulkar or Lara or Smith. He averaged a century. He had a century 36% of his innings. Steve Smith (who still hasn’t really had a decline phase is 17%; Tendulkar is 15.5%. That’s a huge difference in match winning capability.
 
srbhkshk

srbhkshk

International Captain
Spark said:
This has absolutely nothing to do with "zero inflation" as discussed in the paper, which has an entire section dedicated to it. It should probably be more accurately called "duck inflation" or "duck overrepresentation" instead.
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I think this is a poor use case for zero inflation (without reading the paper tbh), but it's still the standard term used for an exercise like that.
 
K

Kirkut

International Regular
HouHsiaoHsien said:
A prime Kohli did have better peak series than Tendulkar: SA 2018(peak Philander Rabada Morkel on horror pitches), and Eng 2018(nearly on par with SRT in SA 2010). In fact in all of SENA countries(except NZ), Kohli’s best series has been better than SRT’s best there.
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Kohli doing better than Tendulkar in South Africa is so misleading. It's not just that 2010 series, you must also factor in the 1992 and 1996 series against prime Donald.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
ma1978 said:
Bradman was more than twice as valuable than Tendulkar or Lara or Smith. He averaged a century. He had a century 36% of his innings. Steve Smith (who still hasn’t really had a decline phase is 17%; Tendulkar is 15.5%. That’s a huge difference in match winning capability.
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I do wish that sometimes we would look at context. Tendulkar and Lara played in how many countries in how many different conditions. Lara didn't face any minnows in his career, Lara and Tendulkar faced and had their averages greatly impacted by Wasim, Waqar, Warne, McGrath, Donald, Pollock, Muralitharan,, and that's just the ATGs. The 30's was literally was known for the flattest pitches in the history of the game. Not that anyone gives a damn, but can't sign on to thinking that Bradman was twice as good as SRT, BCL, IVAR, SPDS, GSAS.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
kyear2 said:
I do wish that sometimes we would look at context. Tendulkar and Lara played in how many countries in how many different conditions. Lara didn't face any minnows in his career, Lara and Tendulkar faced and had their averages greatly impacted by Wasim, Waqar, Warne, McGrath, Donald, Pollock, Muralitharan,, and that's just the ATGs. The 30's was literally was known for the flattest pitches in the history of the game. Not that anyone gives a damn, but can't sign on to thinking that Bradman was twice as good as SRT, BCL, IVAR, SPDS, GSAS.
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I thought it was the 00’s tbh.
 
P

Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
2000s has higher batting average than 1930s.

Worth remembering Bradman missed 7 years due to War, returned as half the player he was just to show the world again who The Greatest actually was.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
ma1978 said:
Bradman was more than twice as valuable than Tendulkar or Lara or Smith. He averaged a century. He had a century 36% of his innings. Steve Smith (who still hasn’t really had a decline phase is 17%; Tendulkar is 15.5%. That’s a huge difference in match winning capability.
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shortpitched713 said:
This has nothing to do with your actual point, so don't think I'm nitpicking you, but I hear a lot of time that Bradman was twice as good, or worth twice as much as an ATG batsman.

That's objectively NOT true:

ATG Batting Lineup
Hayden ~ 50
Average Opener ~ 35
Dravid ~ 52.5
Sanga ~ 57.5
Kallis ~ 55
Sum ~ 250


Average Test Team + Bradman
Opener ~ 35
Opener ~ 35
Bradman ~ 100
Mid Bat ~ 40
Mid Bat ~ 40
Sum ~ 250

So, to conclude, when you consider players' value over replacement, Bradman by himself ends up being worth about as much as 4 ATG batsmen in a lineup combined.
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