Spark
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In FC cricket the last person to have a comparably dominant first two seasons to his Shield career with the bat was a certain Ricky Ponting. And Ponting didn't take 5 wicket hauls too.
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***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2023/24
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TheJediBrah
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Oh no what happened
Anthony Clayden
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Test Averages Bat then Bowling
33 36 Cam Green
31 40 Mitch Marsh
35 33 Shane Watson
36 32 Ben Stokes
31 32 Andrew Flintoff
33 28 Ian Botham
He has underperformed his potential with the bat and looked better than the bowling results he has gotten.
But seriously those stats are not terrible, just not great and MM is in career best form with the bat.
33 36 Cam Green
31 40 Mitch Marsh
35 33 Shane Watson
36 32 Ben Stokes
31 32 Andrew Flintoff
33 28 Ian Botham
He has underperformed his potential with the bat and looked better than the bowling results he has gotten.
But seriously those stats are not terrible, just not great and MM is in career best form with the bat.
Nintendo
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Marsh should have started the home summer, but greens career stats don't really reflect the player he is. At home he averages mid 30's with the bat and mid 20s with the ball. It's the reason some people on here wanted to fit him and Marsh in the same team. Like ide back him to bowl as well as starc did on that last Pakistan pitch and contribute more with the bat.
These stats are pretty meaningless without wickets per match. Might as well say Dougie Walters with 48 and 29
Green has only 30 wickets in 24 tests so at this rate he might barely take 100 Test wickets if he plays 75 Tests
GotSpin
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His shield performances
GotSpin
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He had a terrible start right? Think he was poorly used as some sort of enforcer bowler and was always digging them in short
Nintendo
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No wickets for a few hundred runs vs india when he wasn't fully recovered from injury/used to workload. Since then he's taken 30 wickets @32 in 20 games, but his home and away split is the bigger issue. 20 wickets in 9 home tests @19 vs 8 away wickets @66.5 and 2 neutral wickets @27 (on an old Trafford deck that was very Australian-esque). His home batting average in that time is only 32, so maybe the pitches where just more seam friendly (remember a fair few greentops like the gabba SA deck). Averaged 50 in Asia with the bat over 7 test's, but averaged sub 20 in england in the 4 test's he played there.
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Cricketer Of The Year
Just as a reminder, green is 24 and a half and has an average split of 33.5-36. At that same age, botham: 39-19.5, kallis 43-28, miller haden't made his debut cause ww2, Imran khan 20-33, and the favourite comparison, shane watson: had played 3 test's for a batting average of 20 and a bowling average of 61.
Green has a shield average north of 50 over a decent sample now and has made runs for Aus-A whenever he's played for them, along with the IPL, and last WTC cycle over a 2-year cycle including multiple first-time asia tours, he averaged 36 with the bat and 29 with the ball. He's had four bad games in england, where I must remind you, he never played any FC or above cricket before, and people are acting like he's suddenly not a fantastic prospect. If anything, i'de say green's biggest issue is the fact he came up at a point where there was no competition for spots in the AUS team and covid cutting back chances for overseas A tour's.
Look at somoene like aaron hardie as an example. He's green's age, but he's also had experience playing white and red ball cricket in the english with surrey and the same in Asia with Aus-A. Green came into international cricket as a 21-year-old who had spent his previous two years as a specialist bat. Watson at the same point got 3 test's as a young prospect, then got 3-4 years of time to work his game out at domestic level and in white-ball international's before coming back to test's. Green didn't get that oppurtunity due to covid and competition in the team at the time, and his stats reflect that.
Edit: My point from all that rambling is that green's clearly an exceptional talent, and his stats more reflect a young cricketer, who unlike other players has had to figure out all three format's of his game at the same time, mostly at international level . He's not kallis or botham, but those guys are next-level freaks, and imran's career path clearly shows top quality allrounders can have rough starts.
Green has a shield average north of 50 over a decent sample now and has made runs for Aus-A whenever he's played for them, along with the IPL, and last WTC cycle over a 2-year cycle including multiple first-time asia tours, he averaged 36 with the bat and 29 with the ball. He's had four bad games in england, where I must remind you, he never played any FC or above cricket before, and people are acting like he's suddenly not a fantastic prospect. If anything, i'de say green's biggest issue is the fact he came up at a point where there was no competition for spots in the AUS team and covid cutting back chances for overseas A tour's.
Look at somoene like aaron hardie as an example. He's green's age, but he's also had experience playing white and red ball cricket in the english with surrey and the same in Asia with Aus-A. Green came into international cricket as a 21-year-old who had spent his previous two years as a specialist bat. Watson at the same point got 3 test's as a young prospect, then got 3-4 years of time to work his game out at domestic level and in white-ball international's before coming back to test's. Green didn't get that oppurtunity due to covid and competition in the team at the time, and his stats reflect that.
Edit: My point from all that rambling is that green's clearly an exceptional talent, and his stats more reflect a young cricketer, who unlike other players has had to figure out all three format's of his game at the same time, mostly at international level . He's not kallis or botham, but those guys are next-level freaks, and imran's career path clearly shows top quality allrounders can have rough starts.
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Wokey.
Socerer 01
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Victor Ian
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Best thing to happen to green is to drop him. Make him go back to the woods and work his way up again. It's good to recognise young talent and give them a chance, but if they don't perform send them back so they get more steel.
Chin Music
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In my opinion, I am not convinced of his bowling potential. He has essentially cashed in on very poorly performing England and South Africa lineups at home . He averaged 15 and 9 respectively against them. I can’t be bothered to do the st Yet he has not a single wicket v India home or away and only three wickets in Asia overall and then a tough tour in England. I see more potential in his batting although as said he still is young, but I see a handy batting dominant all rounder.
Starfighter
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That's decent weather for Sydney
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I swear we've had this kind of forecast for like 3 weeks and it's only rained at night if at all.
Course, now there's a Test going on it'll happen during the day and hard enough to disrupt play.
Flem274*
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Green is clearly a generational talent. Putting aside the numbers, my first look was his bowling. He was ****ing huge and bowled one of the most easy 140kph I've seen.
Then there's the domestic batting results. He's a bit block-bash, dare I say a bit Jacques Kallis as a batsman. As long as he isn't expected to be the dick swinger allrounder with the bat he'll be fine.
Then there's the domestic batting results. He's a bit block-bash, dare I say a bit Jacques Kallis as a batsman. As long as he isn't expected to be the dick swinger allrounder with the bat he'll be fine.