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Playing Selector: All time great allrounders No.11 - No.15: FINAL POLL

Choose five all time great allrounders from No. 11 to No.15

  • Total voters
    22
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Based on http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/threads/playing-selector-top-five-test-all-rounders-ever.91282/ and http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...-all-time-great-allrounders-no-6-no-10.91302/ the top 10 test allrounders according to CW are:
  1. Sir Gary Sobers
  2. Imran Khan
  3. Keith Miller
  4. Jacques Kallis
  5. Lord Ian Botham
  6. Sir Richard Hadlee
  7. George Aubrey Faulkner
  8. Kapil Dev
  9. Shaun Pollock
  10. Ravinder Jadeja
For the final five positions please choose from:

Batting allrounders

Grieg
Stokes

Batsmen who can bowl

Armstrong
Woolley
Hammond
Mushtaq
McMillan
Jayasuriya

Bowling allrounders

Rhodes
Noble
Gregory
Mankad
Cairns
Flintoff
Vettori
Shakib

Bowlers who can bat

Tate
Lindwall
Bailey
Benaud
Goddard
Akram
Streak
Vaas
Ashwin
Woakes

On popular demand

Davidson
M Johnson
Philander
 
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Qlder

International Debutant
As Goddard is listed as a "bowler that can bat" he should get extra allrounder points as that "bowler" opened the batting innings in all but 2 tests he played (where he batted 3/4)
 
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bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Qlder said:
Where's Shane Watson? With a test century, 75 wkts and more than 0.75 WPM he meets the allrounder criteria set by Bagapath
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Good call
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Qlder said:
As Goddard is listed as a "bowler that can bat" he should get extra allrounder points as that "bowler" opened the batting innings in all but 2 tests he played (where he batted 3/4)
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Not good enough a bat to be ranked with Botham and Imran etc
As good a bat as S Pollock irrespective of batting positions
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
bagapath said:
Not good enough a bat to be ranked with Botham and Inran etc
As good a bat as S Pollock irrespective of batting positions
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Was Goddard really not a bat as good as Imran? He averaged around 35 while opening the innings; calling him a batsman of Shaun Pollock's level seems a little unfair. Especially when Vettori is rated in a superior batting tier and everyone but he averages under 30 in his tier.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
bagapath said:
Good call
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Not good enough a bat to be ranked with Botham and Inran etc
As good a bat as S Pollock irrespective of batting positions
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Strong disagreement on this one, agree with Luffy. Opening the batting for the vast majority of his career and averaging just about the same as guys coming in primarily at 7 through 8 isn't comparable. Has to be seen as a better batsman than those 3.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
It looks like Greig, Shakib and Stokes are shoe ins here.

I would argue that Ashwin should be as well. I think he's at least as good of a batsman as any of the above are as bowlers. And a better bowler than they are as bats as well.
 
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Q

Qlder

International Debutant
bagapath said:
Not good enough a bat to be ranked with Botham and Inran etc
As good a bat as S Pollock irrespective of batting positions
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I've never heard until now that a bowler batting 7 or 8 can be considered a better bat than someone opening.

You only have to look at Australia's current opening situation when Warner retires. Labuschagne, Head and Marsh have all said they don't want to do it and Khawaja has said opening should be done by a specialist opening bat as "opening is hard work"
 
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ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Placing Goddard as bowler-who-can-bat is completely lolworthy – he was a damn good bat for his era in SA. In general he's hard to classify as an all-rounder. It's like he's more of a specialist opener who happens to be an incredibly accurate 110kph metronome.

Voting for Rhodes (pfp) here doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, because until the war ended and he was 43 he was either a specialist bowler and decent bat or a specialist bat who could bowl. The passage in between was too short to really form a judgement on him as a great all-rounder. Noble's a much better option.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
ataraxia said:
Placing Goddard as bowler-who-can-bat is completely lolworthy – he was a damn good bat for his era in SA. In general he's hard to classify as an all-rounder. It's like he's more of a specialist opener who happens to be an incredibly accurate 110kph metronome.

Voting for Rhodes (pfp) here doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, because until the war ended and he was 43 he was either a specialist bowler and decent bat or a specialist bat who could bowl. The passage in between was too short to really form a judgement on him as a great all-rounder. Noble's a much better option.
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I kinda agree on that Rhodes sentiment; but he was pretty good in both for his time being and when he was even a specialist bat; he was still a decent bowl. Overall, his longevity made me pick him despite Noble arguably being much better at balancing the two roles (I though have voted for both).
 
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