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Virat Kohli vs Sachin Tendulkar

Who is the better ODI batsman?

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Bolo.

International Captain
The 2 strongest teams of his era were India and Aus. He averages 70+ at 113+ in both of these countries. Would you have preferred him to average 50 against these 2 plus WI and England?

Not really sure who Virat's strongest opponents were, but he was definitely good in their countries, but not as good as AB.

If you are going to talk about performances in countries, stick with it. Don't switch between talking about opponents and countries- the stats you end up with are contradictory.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Bolo. said:
The 2 strongest teams of his era were India and Aus. He averages 70+ at 113+ in both of these countries. Would you have preferred him to average 50 against these 2 plus WI and England?

Not really sure who Virat's strongest opponents were, but he was definitely good in their countries, but not as good as AB.

If you are going to talk about performances in countries, stick with it. Don't switch between talking about opponents and countries- the stats you end up with are contradictory.
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Good point. One of them was surely Aus(averaged 52-53) against them. The other I’m not sure. But Kohli did maintain monstrous averages against tough opponents like SA. Probably their home/away record is tied for me then, since Kohli was not as monstrous as AB vs the strongest teams, but also cause he doesn’t have a hole in his record, like AB does in Eng and WI.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Bolo. said:
The 2 strongest teams of his era were India and Aus. He averages 70+ at 113+ in both of these countries. Would you have preferred him to average 50 against these 2 plus WI and England?

Not really sure who Virat's strongest opponents were, but he was definitely good in their countries, but not as good as AB.

If you are going to talk about performances in countries, stick with it. Don't switch between talking about opponents and countries- the stats you end up with are contradictory.
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AB was a monster against both India and Australia in their respective countries; but that doesn't change the fact that he barely managed 30+ against England over similar no of matches..... I would rather have averaging 55-60 against them and around 40 against England. It's not like England don't have any weight or runs against them aren't important. I would say that the away of records of both Virat and ABD holds around the same weight; ABD for scoring monsters against big teams and Virat for maintaining almost 50+ against everyone everywhere.
 
Victor Ian

Victor Ian

International Coach
So Kohli finally gets his hundred in a final that doesn't matter (only the FINAL final matters) and now people want to elevate the clown. He failed in the final in front of the world. He chokes just like Tendulkar in the one game that matters.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Victor Ian said:
So Kohli finally gets his hundred in a final that doesn't matter (only the FINAL final matters) and now people want to elevate the clown. He failed in the final in front of the world. He chokes just like Tendulkar in the one game that matters.
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He scored a fifty. Also had a handy knock in the 2011 final. Doesn’t qualify as choking at all, and can’t be bracketed with Tendulkar’s genius in the finals he played
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
I don't think there is much point breaking down stats into individual countries for ODIs. Conditions are too similar to read weakness into it, and there is too much variation in game situation to know what constitutes a good Innings.

A 30*(50) and a 6(2) might both be nearly flawless Innings but leave you with rubbish stats, while a 70(70) leaves you with stellar stats but can be trash. You need a massive sample size to overcome this (to the extent that it is possible at all), particularly for lower order bats.

Despite being a massive fan of doing it in tests, I barely even bother with breaking down stats into home/away for ODIs. But ABs overall away stats are both better than anyone else's (probable exception of Viv) and distributed in a way I like, so having a go at him based on his away record seems a bit weird
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Bolo. said:
I don't think there is much point breaking down stats into individual countries for ODIs. Conditions are too similar to read weakness into it, and there is too much variation in game situation to know what constitutes a good Innings.

A 30*(50) and a 6(2) might both be nearly flawless Innings but leave you with rubbish stats, while a 70(70) leaves you with stellar stats but can be trash. You need a massive sample size to overcome this (to the extent that it is possible at all), particularly for lower order bats.

Despite being a massive fan of doing it in tests, I barely even bother with breaking down stats into home/away for ODIs. But ABs overall away stats are both better than anyone else's (probable exception of Viv) and distributed in a way I like, so having a go at him based on his away record seems a bit weird
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How can AB’s away stats be better than Kohli, when he failed in two non minnow countries. At best, it’s tied with Kohli.
 
B

Bolo.

International Captain
HouHsiaoHsien said:
How can AB’s away stats be better than Kohli, when he failed in two non minnow countries. At best, it’s tied with Kohli.
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Overall means entire away record- his away stats away are just better even without getting a bit of an era bump.

I've addressed the breakdowns in prior posts.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Bolo. said:
Overall means entire away record- his away stats away are just better even without getting a bit of an era bump.

I've addressed the breakdowns in prior posts.
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I understand your logic, but AB’s failure in Eng is a roadblock for me. So for me his away record isn’t better than Kohli’s, perhaps equally good
 
Victor Ian

Victor Ian

International Coach
HouHsiaoHsien said:
He scored a fifty. Also had a handy knock in the 2011 final. Doesn’t qualify as choking at all, and can’t be bracketed with Tendulkar’s genius in the finals he played
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It's a choke disguised behind a shitty fifty that told the rest of the team they could not win the match. The fifty was not typical Kohli. He was choking and spluttering.

Look, don't get me wrong...Kohli has to be one of the greatest JAM players ever. But when it counts, he goes awol - just like Tendulkar.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Victor Ian said:
It's a choke disguised behind a ****ty fifty that told the rest of the team they could not win the match. The fifty was not typical Kohli. He was choking and spluttering.

Look, don't get me wrong...Kohli has to be one of the greatest JAM players ever. But when it counts, he goes awol - just like Tendulkar.
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I definitely think he got out in the wrong time; but definitely his innings wasn't a choke. It was what needed back then. He delayed the innings to falter and that knock alongside Rahul's ultimately led India to a fighting total. Had the pitch not turned so bland after the first 10 overs, and the bravados of Head and Labuschagne; India could had won. I am not here to complain about the pitch or give the Indian innings a passing; but 240 in the pitch India batted looked definitely defendable and India won't had reached that without Kohli.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Victor Ian said:
It's a choke disguised behind a ****ty fifty that told the rest of the team they could not win the match. The fifty was not typical Kohli. He was choking and spluttering.

Look, don't get me wrong...Kohli has to be one of the greatest JAM players ever. But when it counts, he goes awol - just like Tendulkar.
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Nah. He was perfectly comfortable at the crease, and got out to a bowl with some awkward bounce. What Gill did was choking, get out to a harmless ball. He wasn’t choking at all.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
A player who hits a fifty in a final can’t be labelled a choker. It’s Kohli’s responsibility to perform his role, not to win India all matches single handedly. If majority of the team didn’t step up, don’t blame the guys who did their role atleast
 
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