Virat Kohli vs Sachin Tendulkar

[shortpitched713]

I don't have a pro Sachin bias. But a massive anti modern odi bias. The format has been a ****ing joke for a decade and you have complete muppets putting up what would've been ATG numbers in the 90s. What held kohli back from Sachin was the lack of a truly great world cup which he's corrected. But the overall numbers I couldn't give a **** about. They are worthless.

Evolution.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

That reasoning is a joke.

Yeah agreed. Even tho AB has batted down the order more, and has more not outs, even Kohli’s average is bolstered by staying not out in chases

 

[CricAddict]

Tier 1: Viv, Sachin

Tier 2: Lara, Kohli, ABD, Ponting, Symonds, Bevan, Hussey, Zaheer Abbas, Dean Jones and Bairstow

 

[CricAddict]

Tier 1: Viv, Sachin

Tier 2: Lara, Kohli, ABD, Ponting, Symonds, Bevan, Hussey, Zaheer Abbas, Dean Jones and Bairstow

@HouHsiaoHsien why are you laughing?

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

@HouHsiaoHsien why are you laughing?

The idea of Micheal Hussey and Bairstow in the same tier as Kohli and ABD

 

[honestbharani]

Tier 1: Viv, Sachin

Tier 2: Lara, Kohli, ABD, Ponting, Symonds, Bevan, Hussey, Zaheer Abbas, Dean Jones and Bairstow

There is absolutely no way Virat is a tier below Sachin in ODI batting.

Tier 1 - Viv, Sachin, Virat, MSD, Bevan, AB - in that order

I cant be arsed to rank the Tier 2 but it would have folks like Zaheer, Hussey, Ponting, Lara.

No ****ing way Symonds or Bairstow are anywhere near those tiers.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

There is absolutely no way Virat is a tier below Sachin in ODI batting.

Tier 1 - Viv, Sachin, Virat, MSD, Bevan, AB - in that order

I cant be arsed to rank the Tier 2 but it would have folks like Zaheer, Hussey, Ponting, Lara.

No ****ing way Symonds or Bairstow are anywhere near those tiers.

Genuine question tho, why AB behind Bevan and Dhoni?

 

[honestbharani]

Genuine question tho, why AB behind Bevan and Dhoni?

I just think they achieved slightly more.

 

[CricAddict]

The idea of Micheal Hussey and Bairstow in the same tier as Kohli and ABD

Yeah I agree both are border-line. Hussey did quite well in the limited time he played but I do think Bairstow is a bit underrated. He and Buttler are the main reasons that Bazball and England has been successful for the past few years.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Yeah I agree both are border-line. Hussey did quite well in the limited time he played but I do think Bairstow is a bit underrated. He and Buttler are the main reasons that Bazball and England has been successful for the past few years.

Can’t have them on the same tier as Kohli and ABD

 

[Bolo.]

Yeah agreed. Even tho AB has batted down the order more, and has more not outs, even Kohli’s average is bolstered by staying not out in chases

Not outs don't boost averages. Not outs (especially in losses) can be used as a stick to beat players who leave runs on the table, but AB is about the worst player ever to go after on these grounds.

1st innings- he went berserk, and had very few NOs (a bit less than Kohli, despite the batting position difference).

2nd innings- more sedate, with many NOs, but all were wins (except 1 game that he would have needed to personally score about 270 to win). This is despite batting lower- an opener is never walking into an unwinnable position. A lower order bat often is.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Not outs don't boost averages. Not outs (especially in losses) can be used as a stick to beat players who leave runs on the table, but AB is about the worst player ever to go after on these grounds.

1st innings- he went berserk, and had very few NOs (a bit less than Kohli, despite the batting position difference).

2nd innings- more sedate, with many NOs, but all were wins (except 1 game that he would have needed to personally score about 270 to win). This is despite batting lower- an opener is never walking into an unwinnable position. A lower order bat often is.

I already revised my statement

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kohlis performances in run chases edges it for me , 27 odi hundreds while chasing is insane ..
That's more than Tendulkar and Viv combined.

Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 60 runs of Sachin era.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 60 runs of Sachin era.

Nah. Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 10 runs of Sachin era

 

[howitzer]

Nah. Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 10 runs of Sachin era

Nah. Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 1 run of Sachin era

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Nah. Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 10 runs of Sachin era

May be... Because
Sachin era part timers ER was better than today's great bowlers.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Sachin also opened the innings and was able to fully embrace the powerplay; and ABD and Kohli's batting positions were different which more than justihfies their strike rate difference..... Most of all, I don't think there's any reason to delve much into someone's strike rate if it's over 90. Strike rate is not average.

Kohlis SR is above 90, because he played in a very easy batting era.
If everything else is equal, A batsman with 55 Avg and 105 SR is far superior to another batsman with 55 Avg and 95 SR.

If you say, 90 SR is enough and anything above is unnecessary.. Thats same as saying a team score of 270 in an ODI match is more than enough, there is no need to try 325 or 350.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kohlis SR is above 90, because he played in a very easy batting era.
If everything else is equal, A batsman with 55 Avg and 105 SR is far superior to another batsman with 55 Avg and 95 SR.

If you say, 90 SR is enough and anything above is unnecessary.. Thats same as saying a team score of 270 in an ODI match is more than enough, there is no need to try 325 or 350.

I said batting strike rate of 90 is enough for Virat's given role. We all have seen him scoring runs much much faster; but as it stands, the role of Virat Kohli in India team was to take his time and build the innings. More often than not the non striker is tasked with scoring fast. Virat had to just keep the singles on, which everyone knows he excelled at. Obviously Sehwag whose role was to give a quick start or Dhoni whose role was to finish swiftly will have higher strike rates..... Sachin got the advantage of first powerplay while opening and before Sehwag arrived he also gave India the headstart and ABD batted much lower down the order; their strike rates reflect that sincerely.
And also, Kohli's strike rate is not over 90 just due to his era; but because he knows how to take quick runs.... Are we still acting like VK and ABD played in drastically different eras?

 

[honestbharani]

Nah. Kohli era 100 is equivalent of 1 run of Sachin era

Translation - If I say it once, its the equivalent of saying it a 100 times.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

In 1990s, Top 10 century scorers except Sachin Scored a century in every 13.9 matches.
Sachin was 50% better than them.

In 2010s, Top 10 except Kohli, scored a century in every 7.2 matches.
Kohli was 38% better than them.

If Sachin was born in the same year as Kohli, he would have already scored at least 80 ODI centuries against Kohli's 50.

2 Reasons
1. Sachin scores more centuries per match
2. 5 extra years in career.