***Official***Match #25- England vs Sri Lanka- October 26th-Bengaluru(D/N)#BottomDwellers

[shortpitched713]

Surely there are cricketing reasons that explain their failures more than "lack of confidence".

Nah mate, not cricketing reasons at all. 100% of England's failures have been down to the players' ***ual proclivities and relationship statuses.

No I don't make editorial decisions for the Sun, why do you ask?

 

[wpdavid]

Nah mate, not cricketing reasons at all. 100% of England's failures have been down to the players' ***ual proclivities and relationship statuses.

No I don't make editorial decisions for the Sun, why do you ask?

Blimey, this takes me back to the mid-1980s. I think you forgot to mention the use of recreational drugs too.

 

[SteveNZ]

Never been to Germany...but today I speak the language

Schadenfreude

 

[GIMH]

Surely there are cricketing reasons that explain their failures more than "lack of confidence". In any case, confidence hasn't been an issue with English side for about 5 years.

Atherton said earlier, confidence can take a long time to build up but can be destroyed in an instance. The fact we were so confident for so long is immaterial when you think about it in that context.

 

[shortpitched713]

Atherton said earlier, confidence can take a long time to build up but can be destroyed in an instance. The fact we were so confident for so long is immaterial when you think about it in that context.

What is the instant? They just mostly played like **** throughout the tournament, culminating in this embarrassing performance. What is the sign of resilience or grit, that you might associate with players or a side who ever had confidence, that they would lose it?

A performance like this is ultimately going to fall on leadership, because although I enjoy bashing on the England team as much as the next former colonial, even I can see that this side wasn't actually so bad as how they played this tournament.

 

[Aidan11]

Nah mate, not cricketing reasons at all. 100% of England's failures have been down to the players' ***ual proclivities and relationship statuses.

No I don't make editorial decisions for the Sun, why do you ask?

I had my proclivities removed when I was a young boy. If these players had done the same we might have been top of the table now.

 

[GIMH]

What is the instant? They just mostly played like **** throughout the tournament, culminating in this embarrassing performance. What is the sign of resilience or grit, that you might associate with players or a side who ever had confidence, that they would lose it?

A performance like this is ultimately going to fall on leadership, because although I enjoy bashing on the England team as much as the next former colonial, even I can see that this side wasn't actually so bad as how they played this tournament.

Yeah I don’t know. Against NZ I just thought we had an off day, with concerns about the bowling. Batted well against Bangas, and there were positives with the ball too. So I think most expected us to kick on, at least to a degree, from there.

Certainly at times V Afghanistan, and especially SA, we appeared rattled and bereft of confidence.

 

[Qlder]

Finally we will have no more England fans saying "but we can win every game and make the semi".....England done and dusted at 1-4 record

 

[Aidan11]

I don't understand how we suddenly became crap.

From memory I don't think we had too many bad ODI series since we won the trophy. It's as if a switch have been flicked overnight and we've gone from good to bad.

 

[Qlder]

I don't understand how we suddenly became crap.

From memory I don't think we had too many bad ODI series since we won the trophy. It's as if a switch have been flicked overnight and we've gone from good to bad.

Could some of it be let's bring Stokes out of retirement to take the place of a player who's actually been winning those ODI series in between World Cups?

 

[GIMH]

Could some of it be let's bring Stokes out of retirement to take the place of a player who's actually been winning those ODI series in between World Cups?

If that’s what had actually happened then maybe.

 

[loterry1994]

I don't understand how we suddenly became crap.

From memory I don't think we had too many bad ODI series since we won the trophy. It's as if a switch have been flicked overnight and we've gone from good to bad.

I still think it’s preparation and desperation to win the World Cup. This world cups preparation is no where near the 2019 one. You had guys resting in between series a lot over the years, you had stokes retiring and coming back, you got these new young guys in the team who’ve barely played 10 odis. I think they came in with a lot of over confidence on the back of the reputation on winning the t20 and last odi World Cup.

now you compare it with 2019 most these guys except for Archer played a lot of the bilateral series and t20 World Cup together. You had a better captain maybe the best short format captain at the time. And most these guys coming into the World Cup with like 50 odis on them already. They had more desperation to win that World Cup because they’ve never done it before and the board and the players backed it up they didn’t take much shortcuts like this 2023 preparation has.

2019 team was absolutely sure who their line up was going to be and most of them had good form and they had their combinations right. you can’t say the same about the 2023 team.

 

[East Bay Ray]

Classical Homeboyz
Give them some of mums home cooking
Let them use a familiar duke ball so they dont get confused and depressed
Supply a pretty frock for them to wear around the changerooms
Then and only then will they turn up....carrying a bag of excuses just in case.
They are the orchids of the cricketing world, requiring perfect conditions to shine. Never stress test them.

Congrats to Sri Lanka. They looked good.

 

[Sunil1z]

Yeah , England completely stopped caring about ODIs since 2019 WC . Infact they have won just 1 ODI series against current TOP 4 since 19 WC. They thought they could win ODI WC by playing like extended T20 game

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I don't understand how we suddenly became crap.

From memory I don't think we had too many bad ODI series since we won the trophy. It's as if a switch have been flicked overnight and we've gone from good to bad.

I don't think our record in ODIs has actually been great since our WC win, just nobody has cared.

Lost home and away to India. Lost home and away to Aus. Lost once, drew twice verses the Saffers.

 

[loterry1994]

Yeah , England completely stopped caring about ODIs since 2019 WC . Infact they have won just 1 ODI series against current TOP 4 since 19 WC. They thought they could win ODI WC by playing like extended T20 gameView attachment 37839

It’s definitely an issue because I think their board and selectors came into this World Cup the last few years thinking we’ve got most of our squad selected already. And we’re not going to prepare them like the 2019 World Cup and a lot of them have rested in the bilateral series and they haven’t really built up many new players with much experience you got guys like Topley, Livingstone, Carse, Atkinson, Curran who’ve barely got 20 odis on them

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Yeah , England completely stopped caring about ODIs since 2019 WC . Infact they have won just 1 ODI series against current TOP 4 since 19 WC. They thought they could win ODI WC by playing like extended T20 gameView attachment 37839

Ah, you beat me to it.

Especially compare this to our build up to 2019, where we won 8 series, drew 1 and lost none between the 2017 Champions Trophy and the WC.

 

[Sunil1z]

Ah, you beat me to it.

Especially compare this to our build up to 2019, where we won 8 series, drew 1 and lost none between the 2017 Champions Trophy and the WC.

This is why when many posters here say that bilateral series don’t matter , it is completely nonsense. It is these bilateral series which gives you readymade player for ICC tournaments.

 

[loterry1994]

This is why when many posters here say that bilateral series don’t matter , it is completely nonsense. It is these bilateral series which gives you readymade player for ICC tournaments.

it matters as much as teams and boards want to make it matter. Of course they matter a team coming into a World Cup with momentum and winning bilateral series and having their line up set will be better than a team who rests up players a lot in bilateral series and isn’t as sure about their line up months before a World Cup.

 

[Qlder]

This is why when many posters here say that bilateral series don’t matter , it is completely nonsense. It is these bilateral series which gives you readymade player for ICC tournaments.

Totally agree. Australia played 5 ODI vs SA and 3 ODI vs India in warm up for World Cup. So many players selected weren't even in the WC squad. Isn't it funny that Aus lost their first two WC games to those same two warm-up teams after they lost both series playing back-ups instead of full strength