Keith Miller vs Vivian Richards

[Adorable Asshole]

Two guys who are considered better than their stats.

 

[Jumno]

Richards for me

 

[kyear2]

Sir I. V. A. Richards

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Richards for his strike rate

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Keith Miller, no question for me.

 

[ataraxia]

Miller as a bowler alone.

 

[Line and Length]

Two players who approached the game in a similar fashion. Both were big game players who weren't influenced by statistics. Both were a pleasure to watch and had genuine charisma.

 

[ma1978]

Three CW problems. Massive overrating of:

1. Old players
2. All rounders
3. Raw stats

Viv is in the discussion for best after Bradman. Miller was a great all rounder but not one of the 20 greatest cricketers of all time.

 

[ataraxia]

Three CW problems. Massive overrating of:

1. Old players
2. All rounders
3. Raw stats

Viv is in the discussion for best after Bradman. Miller was a great all rounder but not one of the 20 greatest cricketers of all time.

Quite the novel suggestion that Miller's stats flatter him.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Three CW problems. Massive overrating of:

1. Old players
2. All rounders
3. Raw stats

Viv is in the discussion for best after Bradman. Miller was a great all rounder but not one of the 20 greatest cricketers of all time.

Viv himself is a pretty old player. Closer to Miller than he is to Kohli.

 

[BazBall21]

Miller not being top 20 of all time is a more controversial take than Miller being top 10 of all time.

 

[ma1978]

There is no universe on this website where he would be considered a top 20 player of all time. This is someone who had 7 centuries in 56 tests and 3 wickets per match. Neither a critical batsman nor a frontline bowler.

Bradman, Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Steyn, Ambrose, Wasim, Donald, Lillee, Trueman, Murali, Warne, Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond, Tendulkar, Smith, Lara, Richards, Ponting all clearly ahead and that’s without thinking about it

 

[BazBall21]

There is no universe on this website where he would be considered a top 20 player of all time. This is someone who had 7 centuries in 56 tests and 3 wickets per match. Neither a critical batsman nor a frontline bowler.

Bradman, Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, Steyn, Ambrose, Wasim, Donald, Lillee, Trueman, Murali, Warne, Hobbs, Hutton, Hammond, Tendulkar, Smith, Lara, Richards, Ponting all clearly ahead and that’s without thinking about it

Do you mean website on this universe?

 

[ataraxia]

Keith Miller: neither a critical batsman nor a frontline bowler.

Are we in crazyland?

 

[The Sean]

There is no universe on this website where he would be considered a top 20 player of all time. This is someone who had 7 centuries in 56 tests and 3 wickets per match. Neither a critical batsman nor a frontline bowler.

I don't really care where you actually rank Miller and who you have ahead of or behind him generally, but on this specific point I've called you willfully ignorant before and I stand by that.

 

[BazBall21]

Miller's average of 37 and seven centuries is pretty damn solid for the era he played in. These figures would get better still without bowling workload. Just look at his first-class batting average. That's before we even get into his bowling and fielding. As for his WPM, I think asking Miller of all people to impact games more is incredibly picky.

 

[ma1978]

I don't really care where you actually rank Miller and who you have ahead of or behind him generally, but on this specific point I've called you willfully ignorant before and I stand by that.

He was never the best bowler in the team (that would have been Lindwall and Benaud and later Davidson)

His WPM was well below his peers

 

[ma1978]

Miller's average of 37 and seven centuries is pretty damn solid for the era he played in. These figures would get better still without bowling workload. Just look at his first-class batting average. That's before we even get into his bowling and fielding. As for his WPM, I think asking Miller of all people to impact games more is incredibly picky.

He was never the best batsman in his team (that would be Arthur Morris)

 

[OverratedSanity]

Miller would definitely make my top 10 all time and Viv may not.

 

[BazBall21]

He was never the best batsman in his team (that would be Arthur Morris)

He doesn't need to be the best batsman in his team or the best bowler in his team.