Stokes vs Root

[Ali TT]

I'm probably guilty of that peak v longevity thing. On peak I'd put Fred ahead of Stokes as an AR but the latter obviously a better bat and as a cricketer wins on consistency over the longer term.

Not sure if we're permitted to consider captaincy but (so far) Stokes wins over Root by some distance (and Fred and Botham by some distance more).

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Botham vs Root is more interesting

 

[ma1978]

Stokes has played 97 tests as a fast bowling all rounder. No one can use longevity against him.

He’s won many more matches for England.

If offered a straight trade for Root’s career or Stokes’s career, any selector would take Stokes.

This poll shows many people cannot look past a stats sheet.

 

[Aidan11]

Root. No, Stokes. No, Botham.

Oh this is a toughie.

 

[BazBall21]

Best ten England cricketers of the modern era (1970-) attempt

1) Botham
2) Root
3) Boycott
4) Anderson
5) Gooch
6) Stokes
7) Gower
8) Knott
9) Willis
10) KP

Wanted Snow in there but don't think he has the body of work if it's strictly 1970 onwards.

Edit: forgot Knott.

 

[Aidan11]

Best ten England cricketers of the modern era (1970-) attempt

1) Botham
2) Root
3) Boycott
4) Anderson
5) Gooch
6) Stokes
7) Gower
8) Willis
9) KP
10) Underwood

Wanted Snow in there but don't think he has the body of work if it's strictly 1970 onwards.

No place for Cook?

 

[BazBall21]

No place for Cook?

He's not displacing anyone there in my opinion.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Stokes has played 97 tests as a fast bowling all rounder. No one can use longevity against him.

He’s won many more matches for England.

If offered a straight trade for Root’s career or Stokes’s career, any selector would take Stokes.

This poll shows many people cannot look past a stats sheet.

It's possible to have voted Root and still really rate Stokes. Both are obvious guns and England have been lucky to have had both. I think Root has been slightly more valuable though. He's held together a relatively weak batting unit for a decade. It'd have been an embarrassing period if he wasn't around.

Don't think I buy that Stokes has won "many more" matches for England than Root either. Root has loads of match winning knocks. Has more MotM awards than Stokes too.

 

[ma1978]

Believe me I really rate Root, but I think Stokes is the most unique cricketer I’ve seen in the past decade.

 

[BazBall21]

He is a gun. Will have a good finish with the bat imo now his bowling responsibilities won't be there to drain him.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Stokes has played 97 tests as a fast bowling all rounder. No one can use longevity against him.

He’s won many more matches for England.

If offered a straight trade for Root’s career or Stokes’s career, any selector would take Stokes.

This poll shows many people cannot look past a stats sheet.

Yeah picking Root over Stokes is like picking Kallis over Marshall. No one in real life is doing it.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Best ten England cricketers of the modern era (1970-) attempt

1) Botham
2) Root
3) Boycott
4) Anderson
5) Gooch
6) Stokes
7) Gower
8) Willis
9) KP
10) Underwood

Wanted Snow in there but don't think he has the body of work if it's strictly 1970 onwards.

Agree with Root > Boycott but Anderson is #2. Freakish longevity and won England a series in Australia on roads (only series that matters for English cricketers). Pretty much won matches/series everywhere actually

 

[Adorable Asshole]

If we are rating English cricketers based on Ashes then Broad > Anderson. And KP and Flintoff >> than them.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I’d say it should be used as a tiebreaker

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think second. Stokes > Freddie for me.

But Greig possibly better than Stokes

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think Stokes is the most unique cricketer I’ve seen in the past decade.

Neil Wagner imo

 

[BazBall21]

But Greig possibly better than Stokes

Not for me. Grieg was a very good cricketer but he had a short test career exclusively in his prime. First-class batting average backs this up. Stokes 2016-2022 was 39/29.

 

[ma1978]

1. Botham
2. Anderson
3. Stokes
4. Root
5. Pietersen
6. Boycott
7. Gower
8. Knott
9. Gooch
10. Willis
11. Underwood
12. Broad

 

[ma1978]

And I’m probably underrating Knott

 

[BazBall21]

Knott. Forgot him. Adding him.