Doubts about the rules

[MJ23]

Hi men! I am new and I am a newbie in this beautiful cricket world. Now I have some doubts about the rules.

A. I would like some clarification about the law 41.16, i.e. Mankad. What if the bowler fails to run out the no-striker runner? We have multple situations:

1. No-striker manages to be back in touch with his ground and then the bowler drops the wicket, in this case I think this is a no-ball under law 21.6, right?
2. No-striker manages to be back in touch with his ground and then the bowler doesn't drop the wicket, but he stops however because he saw the no-striker came back, what is this?
3. Bowler doesn't launch nor tries to eliminate the runner but he passes the popping crease, if the runner is out of his ground how much time has the bowler to try to run him out?
4. Bowler throws the ball to the wicket but he misses it, could the bowler take the ball again and try to run him out? How many time can the bowler try to run him out?
5. Bowler stops in his delivery and but the non-striker is still outside his ground how much time does the bowler have to run him out?

B. Are there limits to where can the fielder stay in infield or outfield?

C. Being the popping crease infinite, theoretically could the non-striker start from any point along it? I mean also 10 or more meters away from the wicket? I mean his starting point.

I draw this


-------Batter---NS--------- OR NS --------- Or NS ---------- Or NS

D. When the wicket is broken could the fielder remake it partially I mean two stumps and only one bail? Or how run out a runner if the wicket is broken with only the stumps? If all 3 stumps are out, then how can a batsman be run out on that end? Have you to put a stump again at its original place, then with the ball in hand touching that stump, uproot the stump again? But have you to eradicate completely the stump from ground or just that it is crooked? Could you put a stump out from the ground with a direct hit I mean throwing the ball to it?

Thanks

 

[Ali TT]

Hi person!

1. Not sure
2. Dead ball, no wicket or change in the score, delivery begins again.
3. As long as they need?
4. I reckon this is the same as 2. By the time the bowler has picked the ball again the batter will be back. I guess if the throw is really bad the batters might run and then the fielders could attempt a run out. Would carry on until either there was a wicket or the batters had stopped and the ball was deemed dead (usually back in the keeper's or bowler's hands and the batters in each crease).
5. Same as 3?

B yes, team not allowed to have I think 3 or more players behind square on the legside while there are limits on how many can be in or out of the inner circle in the limited over matches. Depends on the playing conditions for each format.
C I think so, but a bit daft. Used to be where runners stood.
D Remove one stump from the ground and, holding it in their other hand, place the ball against it

 

[MJ23]

Hi person!

1. Not sure
2. Dead ball, no wicket or change in the score, delivery begins again.
3. As long as they need?
4. I reckon this is the same as 2. By the time the bowler has picked the ball again the batter will be back. I guess if the throw is really bad the batters might run and then the fielders could attempt a run out. Would carry on until either there was a wicket or the batters had stopped and the ball was deemed dead (usually back in the keeper's or bowler's hands and the batters in each crease).
5. Same as 3?

B yes, team not allowed to have I think 3 or more players behind square on the legside while there are limits on how many can be in or out of the inner circle in the limited over matches. Depends on the playing conditions for each format.
C I think so, but a bit daft. Used to be where runners stood.
D Remove one stump from the ground and, holding it in their other hand, place the ball against it

Thanks for answer.

1. I think it is a no ball, I read this mankading-runout-and-no-ball-penalty/ what do you think?
2. Dead ball immediately? Could the bowler try a delivery however?
3. I don't know but is there a rule?
4. But could bowler take again the ball and try again if the batter non striker is not back? I mean he throw the ball to the wicket for a mankad, so is it legal that the runners can try a run? I think it is not a legal delivery, right? However I mean also how many attempts can the bowler have?
Finally the runners can run only with a valid delivery, right? In this cas it is not, or what?
5. The same question.

B. What is the square on legside? Scuse me for my ignorance. But are there no a rules?

C. So could the nonstriker stand (i.e. starting point) anywhere he wants along the popping crease? I mean the non strike must not stand only in the pitch, right? But can he start also from a point on the popping crease in outfield?

D. Could you do this with a direct hit, although not easy to do on the fly ? But in this case the stump must be completely removed from the ground or just stay inclined?

 

[Victor Ian]

D Remove one stump from the ground and, holding it in their other hand, place the ball against it

Is that right? Why can't I remove the stump from the ground and then place the ball against it after I run and retrieve it. It thought you have to place the ball against the stump and then remove it from the ground,

 

[ashley bach]

@MJ23 as a newbie, there are so many more important things to learn about the game.
Concentrate your energies on that rather than the Mankad which many would like to think isn't even a part of the game.

 

[Boags]

Is that right? Why can't I remove the stump from the ground and then place the ball against it after I run and retrieve it. It thought you have to place the ball against the stump and then remove it from the ground,

The ball has to be in the same hand you use to break the stump (it doesn't necessarily have to make contact with the stump, though in most cases it would).

 

[Ali TT]

@MJ23 as a newbie, there are so many more important things to learn about the game.
Concentrate your energies on that rather than the Mankad which many would like to think isn't even a part of the game.

It's literally written into the Laws (38.3) so very much part of the game

 

[MJ23]

Is that right? Why can't I remove the stump from the ground and then place the ball against it after I run and retrieve it. It thought you have to place the ball against the stump and then remove it from the ground,

Ok, but must the stump be completely uprooted from the ground or is it enough made the stump completely crooked but still attached to the ground?

@MJ23 as a newbie, there are so many more important things to learn about the game.
Concentrate your energies on that rather than the Mankad which many would like to think isn't even a part of the game.

I’ve already learned everything except these things I ask for.

So is it legal the stump is uprooted by a direct hit although this is not easy at all?


4. But could bowler take again the ball and try again if the batter non striker is not back? I mean he throw the ball to the wicket (wicket of the nonstriker runner) for a mankad, and the bowler take the ball again and tries an other mankad? And so is it legal that the runners can try a run? I think it is not a legal delivery, right? However I mean also how many attempts can the bowler have?
Finally the runners can run only with a valid delivery, right? In this cas it is not, or what?


What is the square on legside? Scuse me for my ignorance. But are there no a rules?

So could the nonstriker stand (i.e. starting point) anywhere he wants along the popping crease? I mean the non strike must not stand only in the pitch, right? But can he start also from a point on the popping crease in outfield?

 

[shortpitched713]

I’ve already learned everything except these things I ask for.

I like this guy.

 

[Ali TT]

I like this guy.

If he is truly a "guy" and not an internet enabled toaster that has developed consciousness...

 

[Ali TT]

Ok, but must the stump be completely uprooted from the ground or is it enough made the stump completely crooked but still attached to the ground?


I’ve already learned everything except these things I ask for.

So is it legal the stump is uprooted by a direct hit although this is not easy at all?


4. But could bowler take again the ball and try again if the batter non striker is not back? I mean he throw the ball to the wicket (wicket of the nonstriker runner) for a mankad, and the bowler take the ball again and tries an other mankad? And so is it legal that the runners can try a run? I think it is not a legal delivery, right? However I mean also how many attempts can the bowler have?
Finally the runners can run only with a valid delivery, right? In this cas it is not, or what?


What is the square on legside? Scuse me for my ignorance. But are there no a rules?

So could the nonstriker stand (i.e. starting point) anywhere he wants along the popping crease? I mean the non strike must not stand only in the pitch, right? But can he start also from a point on the popping crease in outfield?

Square on the legside... Basically when the batter stands ready for the bowler to bowl, anything that's in a direct line coming out of their butt to the boundary. Anything that's on the far side of that imaginary line as you'd look at it from the bowler's end is behind square and anything on the near side is in front of square.

 

[MJ23]

Okay, let’s go in order:

the law 41.16, i.e. Mankad. What if the bowler fails to run out the no-striker runner? We have multple situations:

1. No-striker manages to be back in touch with his ground and then the bowler drops the wicket, in this case I think this is a no-ball under law 21.6, right?
2. No-striker manages to be back in touch with his ground and then the bowler doesn't drop the wicket, but he stops however because he saw the no-striker came back, what is this?
3. Bowler doesn't launch nor tries to eliminate the runner but he passes the popping crease, if the runner is out of his ground how much time has the bowler to try to run him out?
4. Bowler throws the ball to the wicket but he misses it, could the bowler take the ball again and try to run him out? How many time can the bowler try to run him out?
5. Bowler stops in his delivery and but the non-striker is still outside his ground how much time does the bowler have to run him out?

How to answer these questions?

 

[Boags]

Ok, but must the stump be completely uprooted from the ground or is it enough made the stump completely crooked but still attached to the ground?


I’ve already learned everything except these things I ask for.

So is it legal the stump is uprooted by a direct hit although this is not easy at all?

Knocking the stump crooked does not count. The stump must be uprooted, and it follows the same rules as removing a bail - you can uproot the stump with your hand as long as the ball is in the hand you used to uproot the stump, and you can do it with a direct hit as long as it uproots the stump.

 

[Boags]

1. No-striker manages to be back in touch with his ground and then the bowler drops the wicket, in this case I think this is a no-ball under law 21.6, right?
2. No-striker manages to be back in touch with his ground and then the bowler doesn't drop the wicket, but he stops however because he saw the no-striker came back, what is this?
3. Bowler doesn't launch nor tries to eliminate the runner but he passes the popping crease, if the runner is out of his ground how much time has the bowler to try to run him out?
4. Bowler throws the ball to the wicket but he misses it, could the bowler take the ball again and try to run him out? How many time can the bowler try to run him out?
5. Bowler stops in his delivery and but the non-striker is still outside his ground how much time does the bowler have to run him out?

1. 21.6 applies to the bowler being in their delivery stride, a mankad breaks the delivery stride to attempt a run out. Strict letter of the law could be interpreted as a no ball and it is written that way, but I'd bet umpires would call a dead ball. Would be an interesting question to ask an actual umpire.
2. Ball is dead as soon as the bowler pulls out of his delivery stride and the only action that keeps the ball live is an attempted run out, so if the run out is not attempted the ball is dead.
3. You seem to be talking about scenario where the bowler just stands at the stumps and waits for the batsman to leave his crease. You can't just wait for the batsman to go for a walk. The timing for a mankad is the time you're expected to complete your delivery, so if you stand around hesitating, the umpire should call dead ball and it would not be unreasonable for the umpire to issue a warning for time-wasting in this case.
4. The action of an attempted run out does keep the ball in play so I suppose if the batsman is still out of his ground you could take another attempt, but what batsman would be stupid enough to stay out of his crease while the bowler recollects the ball?
5. Time taken to complete your delivery.

 

[Victor Ian]

Ok. But what about if the mankad missed the stumps? Could the batsmen then steal a single or is the ball immediately dead?

 

[Boags]

Ok. But what about if the mankad missed the stumps? Could the batsmen then steal a single or is the ball immediately dead?

The 'batters stealing a run' law was amended specifically so that it wouldn't count if the bowler attempted to run out the non-striker, so I believe the ball stays in play and the batsman can steal runs in that case.

 

[MJ23]

1. 21.6 applies to the bowler being in their delivery stride, a mankad breaks the delivery stride to attempt a run out. Strict letter of the law could be interpreted as a no ball and it is written that way, but I'd bet umpires would call a dead ball. Would be an interesting question to ask an actual umpire.
2. Ball is dead as soon as the bowler pulls out of his delivery stride and the only action that keeps the ball live is an attempted run out, so if the run out is not attempted the ball is dead.
3. You seem to be talking about scenario where the bowler just stands at the stumps and waits for the batsman to leave his crease. You can't just wait for the batsman to go for a walk. The timing for a mankad is the time you're expected to complete your delivery, so if you stand around hesitating, the umpire should call dead ball and it would not be unreasonable for the umpire to issue a warning for time-wasting in this case.
4. The action of an attempted run out does keep the ball in play so I suppose if the batsman is still out of his ground you could take another attempt, but what batsman would be stupid enough to stay out of his crease while the bowler recollects the ball?
5. Time taken to complete your delivery.

1. So in this case should it be a noball but could it also be a simple deadball?
2. So NS back in touch in this case it is a deadball immediately or could the bowler delivery anyway?
3. No, I mean this: the non-striker is out and he remains there but in the meantime the pitcher stops his delivery but does not even try to run him out, in this case how much time the ball remains live and how much time does the bowler have to run him out? I know it’s an absolutely bizarre situation but this is my curiosity.
4. I believed that the moment the player throws the ball, to run the non-striker out, but either misses the wicket or fails to make the bail fall, the ball becomes dead immediately by law 20.4.2.8, i.e. ball dropped accidentally, so the bowler can not try again to run him out and no one batsmen can steal the run, am I right?
5. The same as 3 question.
Thanks

 

[Boags]

1. So in this case should it be a noball but could it also be a simple deadball?
2. So NS back in touch in this case it is a deadball immediately or could the bowler delivery anyway?
3. No, I mean this: the non-striker is out and he remains there but in the meantime the pitcher stops his delivery but does not even try to run him out, in this case how much time the ball remains live and how much time does the bowler have to run him out? I know it’s an absolutely bizarre situation but this is my curiosity.
4. I believed that the moment the player throws the ball, to run the non-striker out, but either misses the wicket or fails to make the bail fall, the ball becomes dead immediately by law 20.4.2.8, i.e. ball dropped accidentally, so the bowler can not try again to run him out and no one batsmen can steal the run, am I right?
5. The same as 3 question.
Thanks

1. Fishing for mankads would certainly go against the spirit of the game and I'd love to call it a no ball, but I think the ball has to actually be bowled for it to be a no ball. It's not exactly clear, hence I said it would be a good question if you ever find an ICC umpire doing a Q&A.
2. No, it's a dead ball immediately
3. Too late, dead ball. It's actually about intent rather than time. If you stop your delivery stride your motion has to be attempting that run out, if you cease to do that the ball is dead. I know that's not what you're asking but the time is arbitrary and not really a factor. A good example is actually the Alex Carey stumping of Jonny Bairstow. It's something of a reverse mankad, but the only reason the stumping was allowed was because he didn't let the ball settle in his hands, he immediately fired it at the stumps without ceasing motion. Had the ball settled even for a second he wouldn't have got that stumping because the ball would have been dead.
4. No, because you didn't accidentally drop the ball, you attempted a run out which keeps the ball in play, and failed. I don't know how an actual umpire would judge that situation - I believe they'd just call it a dead ball and avoid the entire farce because they are allowed to use some common sense in cases like this, but I can tell you that law does not apply to that scenario and there's nothing within the laws saying that batsman can't run.
5. As I said, it's the expected time it would take to complete your delivery (we don't have a shot clock, it's total umpires discretion), but that time becomes pointless due to the fact that the bowlers only action after pulling out of his delivery can be an attempted run out otherwise its a dead ball immediately, and even a moment of inaction also makes the ball dead.

 

[MJ23]

1. Fishing for mankads would certainly go against the spirit of the game and I'd love to call it a no ball, but I think the ball has to actually be bowled for it to be a no ball. It's not exactly clear, hence I said it would be a good question if you ever find an ICC umpire doing a Q&A.
2. No, it's a dead ball immediately
3. Too late, dead ball. It's actually about intent rather than time. If you stop your delivery stride your motion has to be attempting that run out, if you cease to do that the ball is dead. I know that's not what you're asking but the time is arbitrary and not really a factor. A good example is actually the Alex Carey stumping of Jonny Bairstow. It's something of a reverse mankad, but the only reason the stumping was allowed was because he didn't let the ball settle in his hands, he immediately fired it at the stumps without ceasing motion. Had the ball settled even for a second he wouldn't have got that stumping because the ball would have been dead.
4. No, because you didn't accidentally drop the ball, you attempted a run out which keeps the ball in play, and failed. I don't know how an actual umpire would judge that situation - I believe they'd just call it a dead ball and avoid the entire farce because they are allowed to use some common sense in cases like this, but I can tell you that law does not apply to that scenario and there's nothing within the laws saying that batsman can't run.
5. As I said, it's the expected time it would take to complete your delivery (we don't have a shot clock, it's total umpires discretion), but that time becomes pointless due to the fact that the bowlers only action after pulling out of his delivery can be an attempted run out otherwise its a dead ball immediately, and even a moment of inaction also makes the ball dead.

Ok, thank you so much.
So in conclusion:

1. Could the non-striker stand (i.e. starting point) anywhere he wants along the popping crease? I mean the non-striker must not stand only in the pitch, right? But can he start also from any spot on the popping crease, that is infinite, in outfield?
2. Could the batsmen steal a run? Scuse me, but I don’t understand this, in the rules we have this: 41.16 Batters stealing a run: It is unfair for the batters to attempt to steal a run during the bowler's run-up. Unless the bowler attempts to run out the non-striker -- see Law 38.3 (Non-striker leaving his/her ground early) -- the umpire shall- call and signal Dead ball as soon as the batters cross in such an attempt.
   - inform the other umpire of the reason for this action. What does "Unless the bowler attempts..." mean? I mean if there is an attempt of running the non-striker out, is it legal?