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Ray Lindwall vs Everton Weekes
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Raymond Russell Lindwall. With all respect to Weekes, the difference is huge. Lindwall would have made the Aussie International Xi lot earlier had there been no war. Also played way too long, when most of Great fast bowlers were already retired. Might have been GOAT or Top 5 strong contender level quick with a proper career in 70s,80s etc imho.
In early October 1938, with his final school year drawing to a close, Lindwall was among a group of young cricketers who received an invitation to practise at the SCG with the state team. Lindwall was the first to volunteer to bowl to Jack Fingleton, who was one of Australia's first-choice opening batsmen, having just returned from the 1938 Ashes tour.Lindwall peppered Fingleton with a series of yorkers, bouncers and outswingers. In the space of 15 minutes, Lindwall bowled Fingleton four times and beat the bat on several other occasions.
In early October 1938, with his final school year drawing to a close, Lindwall was among a group of young cricketers who received an invitation to practise at the SCG with the state team. Lindwall was the first to volunteer to bowl to Jack Fingleton, who was one of Australia's first-choice opening batsmen, having just returned from the 1938 Ashes tour.Lindwall peppered Fingleton with a series of yorkers, bouncers and outswingers. In the space of 15 minutes, Lindwall bowled Fingleton four times and beat the bat on several other occasions.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I think it's an extremely close one; and is literally comparing apples and oranges. Lindwall was a great pacer and a handy lower order batsman. Weekes averaged over 58 in over 50 tests. That's all need to be said. I think this one is particularly close, though leaning towards Weekes here.
Coronis
International Coach
He was a minnow basher and a HTB.
kyear2
International Coach
Or you could read up on him like you do Sutcliffe and co and see when he got injured and how it impacted him right before the Aussie tour and subsequently.
Slifer
International Captain
They won't. They just look at his record and assume. But people from that time and the Caribbean know that not only was he injured but Lindwall and Miller used to practically bodyline him and Walcott.
Coronis
International Coach
I have read up on him. I know his career was impacted by injury as a lot of other players were.
However I also know that aside from bullying weak Indian and NZ sides he didn’t do anything of note outside of the Windies.
His record is still enough for me to rate him relatively highly, but Weekes doesn’t even make my top 20 (maybe not even top 25) batsmen, whilst I’m pretty sure Lindwall is in my top 15 pacers?
Lindwall was far better away and has a far more balanced record than Weekes. He struggled relatively in the Windies but I’ll take a bowler averaging 30 with 4 wickets a match over Weekes record in Australia and England.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think judging Weekes by his poor performance in Australia atleast; given his injury and considering that was the only series he played there; is really right..... It's like judging Herbert Sutcliffe fot the two matches he played in New Zealand and the one against India; and say he couldn't even score against weak sides.
Coronis
International Coach
Its not the sole thing I’m judging him on.
Without even getting into the whole bowler vs batsman valuable debate, Lindwall is easily closer to Marshall/McGrath/Hadlee than Weekes is to Hobbs/Sobers/Tendulkar
Plus he’s a top 3 Aussie pacer of all time, Weekes isn’t even a top 5 West Indian bat.
kyear2
International Coach
You do know that I acknowledged I'm that same initial post that Lindwall is better. That wasn't in question
Unlike way too many posters here, I don't naturally assume someone is better based on country of origin.
Coronis
International Coach
Neither do I, and I didn’t imply you did.
Fact is Weekes cashed in against India and NZ and struggled away compared to his home record. (There are mitigating factors as there are in any player’s record - but this is what happened)
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Mcgrath and Davidson?
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean, Lillee and McGrath are top 2 obviously.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Not here
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
How does it matters even? After Lillee and McGrath, two ATGs, Lindwall is the best Aussie pacer; while after Sobers, Richards, Lara and Headley; four ATGs, Weekes is the best Windies bat..... It shows nothing.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Then who are??
Coronis
International Coach
Nah it doesn’t actually mean anything mate, it was just a little joke about where I rate certain players compared to the consensus here. e.g Davidson > Lindwall > Lillee, Walcott > Weekes (far less controversial)
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
You rate Davidson higher than Lillee? I mean, he does have a superior average (and included batting, could bat)..... But still Lillee is easily top 5 for me; and Davidson probably won't crack top 10.