Malcolm Marshall vs. Sachin Tendulkar

[Saket1209]

Doesn't matter. Marshall is still a greater asset for any team. On Impact on world cricket no one can match SRT.

 

[subshakerz]

Doesn't matter. Marshall is still a greater asset for any team. On Impact on world cricket no one can match SRT.

By that measure Donald is better than Tendulkar.

 

[Slifer]

Tendulkar rated as second, third after Bradman

He was averaging 59 after a decade in 2000 against Donald, Pollock, McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqur, Murali

Man of the series in Australia 99/00

Tendulkar only cricketer to appear on the times magazine

Tendulkar has a middling record vs all of the above except Walsh and Ambrose. People keep bring up the great fast bowlers he faced but he did nothing extraordinary vs them. He did ok and cleaned up vs weaker attacks.

 

[Slifer]

I know I am pointing the inconsistency. If ATG bowlers by default are more valuable then Donald should go ahead of Tendulkar too.


Atherton most severely tested. Tendulkar most widely tested.


Boohoo, poor Marshall bowling with riffraff like Ambrose, Bishop and Walsh, and that too demoted from being an opening bowler. Wonder how he did it.

Bro, we're talking about the upper echelon of fast bowlers the likes of Hadlee, McGrath and Marshall and I'd rather have all three before I chose Sachin.

 

[BazBall21]

Tendulkar has a middling record vs all of the above except Walsh and Ambrose. People keep bring up the great fast bowlers he faced but he did nothing extraordinary vs them. He did ok and cleaned up vs weaker attacks.

A Tendulkar failure is more likely than a Marshall failure.

 

[Slifer]

Some more minor points for Tendulkar:

- More pressure in a weaker team
- Marshall wasn't quite as tested in terms of quality opposition as Tendulkar whose career coincided with a peak bowling era
- Tendulkar's prodigy performances as a teen

Disagree with this completely. Marshall had to break into a WI team full of atg fast bowlers knowing full well that a run of mediocrity would've probably got him dropped. At no point in his career, even while he was deteriorating was Sachin in danger of getting dropped. And Sachin was in a weaker team overall but the batting lineup around him was great.

As for testing opposite, again what quality bowling attack did Sachin generally get the better of? Marshall mastered everyone everywhere.

The last part about prodigy is completely irrelevant. Lol.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Disagree with this completely. Marshall had to break into a WI team full of atg fast bowlers knowing full well that a run of mediocrity would've probably got him dropped. At no point in his career, even while he was deteriorating was Sachin in danger of getting dropped. And Sachin was in a weaker team overall but the batting lineup around him was great.

As for testing opposite, again what quality bowling attack did Sachin generally get the better of? Marshall mastered everyone everywhere.

The last part about prodigy is completely irrelevant. Lol.

Even tho I voted Sachin I agree with the above. One of Marshall’s great achievements was taking 6 wickets per match at his peak in a stretch of 40 tests, while having to compete for wickets with an ATG bowling lineup.

 

[Migara]

Depends on who does the rating, he can be behind Barnes, Lillee or Wasim among the pundits and McGrath here.

Whoever rates Lillee, Barnes or Wasim ahead of Marshall needs reality check. Especially Lillee. I would not blame minority of people rating McGrath above Marshall. McGrath was bloody good.

 

[subshakerz]

Whoever rates Lillee, Barnes or Wasim ahead of Marshall needs reality check. Especially Lillee. I would not blame minority of people rating McGrath above Marshall. McGrath was bloody good.

I am saying that they do get rated above Marshall, not that this rating is correct.

 

[subshakerz]

Disagree with this completely. Marshall had to break into a WI team full of atg fast bowlers knowing full well that a run of mediocrity would've probably got him dropped. At no point in his career, even while he was deteriorating was Sachin in danger of getting dropped. And Sachin was in a weaker team overall but the batting lineup around him was great.

As for testing opposite, again what quality bowling attack did Sachin generally get the better of? Marshall mastered everyone everywhere.

The last part about prodigy is completely irrelevant. Lol.

Tendulkar in the 90s had more pressure. I am not sure how that is debatable.

 

[subshakerz]

Bro, we're talking about the upper echelon of fast bowlers the likes of Hadlee, McGrath and Marshall and I'd rather have all three before I chose Sachin.

Unfortunately there is this tendency to say bowlers are more valuable than bats hence better, yet they don't apply this logic to all ATG bowlers.

 

[akilana]

Tendulkar is unarguably a top 5 batsman of all time.
Marshall is arguably the greatest bowler ever.

Tendulkar had greater longevity, in peaks I believe Marshall had greater impact. Tendulkar (as discussed with his Lara comp) didn't dominate series like Marshall did.

I think that bowlers are more important and have greater impact that batsmen.

Think they're both top 10 players and it's really close, I just think you get a slight advantage if you're objectively in the conversation as being the best ever.

Tendy is pretty overrated now thinking back. Always had the feeling he'd score runs and gets out before it gets tough. He also never dominated a full series like most batting greats did. His career highlight is the hundred he scored in Australia without playing a cover drive or something..really?

The other nonsense we often here is pressure of a billion. There was more pressure in playing for Australia in the 2000s.

 

[subshakerz]

Tendy is pretty overrated now thinking back. Always had the feeling he'd score runs and gets out before it gets tough. He also never dominated a full series like most batting greats did. His career highlight is the hundred he scored in Australia without playing a cover drive or something..really?

The other nonsense we often here is pressure of a billion. There was more pressure in playing for Australia in the 2000s.

Sometimes when you score so consistently people take your runs for granted.

Whereas Lara would have a few shinier career highlights and nobody cares about his dry spells.

 

[akilana]

Sometimes when you score so consistently people take your runs for granted.

Whereas Lara would have a few shinier career highlights and nobody cares about his dry spells.

I know you change your tune according to your favourites and have been called out a few times now.

I assume that's why you take Kallis's runs for granted.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I know you change your tune according to your favourites and have been called out a few times now.

I assume that's why you take Kallis's runs for granted.

Tendulkar has better longevity, a perfect home/away record. Plus he averaged nearly 60 in the 90s, despite starting the decade as a teen. Kallis has none of that. Kallis lost SA matches because of his approach as well. Easily the most overrated cricketer ever.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Doesn't matter. Marshall is still a greater asset for any team. On Impact on world cricket no one can match SRT.

No one? Are you sure about that? Grace? Bradman? Or Sobers??

 

[subshakerz]

I know you change your tune according to your favourites and have been called out a few times now.

I assume that's why you take Kallis's runs for granted.

Unlike others here I also factor in style of play and scoring rate.


Plus Kallis sucked in England and any bat who sucks in England or Australia should be instantly downgraded.

 

[kyear2]

These voting swings have been massive

 

[kyear2]

No one? Are you sure about that? Grace? Bradman? Or Sobers??

As an asset for one match anywhere that you need to win? Those 3 are the three I would go for without doubt.

Best batsman, best bowler and the player who impacts both aspects while batting and in the field almost equally (combining bowling and slip fielding), who else would you choose ?

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

As an asset for one match anywhere that you need to win? Those 3 are the three I would go for without doubt.

Best batsman, best bowler and the player who impacts both aspects while batting and in the field almost equally (combining bowling and slip fielding), who else would you choose ?

I was replying about pure impact on cricket where there are at least 3 guys in Grace, Bradman and Sobers who at least match if not surpass Sachin.

For first 3 names in ATG Xi, Bradman, Sobers and Marshall are definitely the first 3 names. If it’s making a team with 3 players of choice and rest okish players, I would probably have O’Reilly marginally ahead of Sobers who would be the 4th name.