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South Africa team selection

Stefan9

International Debutant
So realistically I think this might be the Test XI for the NZ tour based on whose been picked before and whose available:

1.Dean Elgar
2.Tony De Zorzi
3.Keegan Petersen
4.Temba Bavuma (C)
5.Zubayr Hamza
6.Jason Smith
7.Sinethemba Qeshile (WK)
8.Shaun Von Berg
9.Glenton Stuurman
10.Duane Olivier
11.Lutho Sipamla
Bavuma and Jason Smith have SA20 deals.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
The more I think about it, especially with his great domestic form in the format, the more I think it was a huge missed opportunity to get Mulder in this team at #5, or at least given him a run there to see if he was up to it. He's not a finisher which is why I think they've been reluctant to chuck him in at 7, but Klaasen and Miller are great at that anyway.

I also think Markram and Rassie should swap in the order but that's not a big deal. But this team would seem like a real genuine challenger to me:

1 Bavuma
2 de Kock
3 Markram
4 Rassie
5 Mulder
6 Klaasen
7 Miller
8 Jansen
9 Maharaj
10 Rabada
11 Shamsi/Ngidi

That lineup is gun IMO. Coetzee, Linde and spare batsman of choice (I'd have probably gone with Malan but if they're keen on Reeza based on T20 form then alright) to make up the rest of the squad.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
The more I think about it, especially with his great domestic form in the format, the more I think it was a huge missed opportunity to get Mulder in this team at #5, or at least given him a run there to see if he was up to it. He's not a finisher which is why I think they've been reluctant to chuck him in at 7, but Klaasen and Miller are great at that anyway.

I also think Markram and Rassie should swap in the order but that's not a big deal. But this team would seem like a real genuine challenger to me:

1 Bavuma
2 de Kock
3 Markram
4 Rassie
5 Mulder
6 Klaasen
7 Miller
8 Jansen
9 Maharaj
10 Rabada
11 Shamsi/Ngidi

That lineup is gun IMO. Coetzee, Linde and spare batsman of choice (I'd have probably gone with Malan but if they're keen on Reeza based on T20 form then alright) to make up the rest of the squad.
Haha that just looks so much better than the 5-bowler version.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Mulder has never been given a fair shake… possibly picked a little young but these consistent one off matches for the SA team have never let him settle and prove himself.
 

Marius

International Debutant
Mulder has never been given a fair shake… possibly picked a little young but these consistent one off matches for the SA team have never let him settle and prove himself.
Think they see him as more of a Test player at the moment I think but his form in domestic white ball, in SA and UK, means he should get a look in soon I think.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Think they see him as more of a Test player at the moment I think but his form in domestic white ball, in SA and UK, means he should get a look in soon I think.
Yes, I think so too... but even in Tests he has not been given a run. Picked for occasional Test. Never once just backed his clear talent and stuck with him... and now with so few Tests?! He is not likely to ever get a chance to settle.
 

Marius

International Debutant
Yes, I think so too... but even in Tests he has not been given a run. Picked for occasional Test. Never once just backed his clear talent and stuck with him... and now with so few Tests?! He is not likely to ever get a chance to settle.
Yes, let's see if he gets a run in our next Test series. I think it's in December against India?
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
Shukri Conrad does seem to be in favour of having an allrounder in the side, so that may mean that Mulder gets the run he needs on those rare occasions we play a test match. It's possible he might miss out if it's felt a spinning allrounder suits conditions better, but that's not the same thing as not backing him.
 

Bahseph

International Debutant
They should just always play him and forget the four quicks plus a spinning allrounder idea. They aren't picking Linde and if they back Muthusamy he might end up being pretty ineffective if he never gets to play in Asia/Durban/PE etc. Just play Keshav and leave Mulder in unless it's a bunsen and you want Harmer AND Muthusamy.
 

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
Shukri Conrad does seem to be in favour of having an allrounder in the side, so that may mean that Mulder gets the run he needs on those rare occasions we play a test match. It's possible he might miss out if it's felt a spinning allrounder suits conditions better, but that's not the same thing as not backing him.
Corbin Bosch also has been given a pretty raw deal ..Averages 40 at a SR of over 100 and can bowl reasonably quick ..
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
Corbin Bosch also has been given a pretty raw deal ..Averages 40 at a SR of over 100 and can bowl reasonably quick ..
Bosch's List A bowling average is 36.85 with an economy of 5.91. That's arguably acceptable for a fifth bowler, but they're not figures which are crying out for him to be picked, so I'm not sure that his omission counts as a raw deal. Certainly not as much as Mulder, who has continually been in and out of the team.
 

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
Bosch's List A bowling average is 36.85 with an economy of 5.91. That's arguably acceptable for a fifth bowler, but they're not figures which are crying out for him to be picked, so I'm not sure that his omission counts as a raw deal. Certainly not as much as Mulder, who has continually been in and out of the team.
Okay name me players in domestic cricket that average over 40 with a SR over 100 that can bowl ?
 

Bahseph

International Debutant
Okay name me players in domestic cricket that average over 40 with a SR over 100 that can bowl ?
Hmmm I think you might be focusing too much on that stat. He doesn't have a 100 in any form of cricket and is 29. Realistically I think he is far down the pecking order in terms of allrounder selection.
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
Okay name me players in domestic cricket that average over 40 with a SR over 100 that can bowl ?
The question is whether he bowls well enough to take on the fifth bowler duties. While Mulder may not have a strike rate of 100, 94.53 isn't far off and he's a better bowler than Bosch.

And if you're proposing Bosch as a sixth bowler, then would he make it ahead of Ruan de Swardt? Again, not as high a strike rate, but better batting and bowling averages. So it's not as though Bosch is head and shoulders above other allround options.
 

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