Kyear2 / Prince EWS ATG draft

[Prince EWS]

Yessss

Haha that was clearly somewhat charity, I'm not mad. I would've picked him one pick earlier if I was just tactically trying to 'win' as I said in the post. I figured he'd go for Kallis.

I pick Hutton

 

[kyear2]

Is Barry Richards eligible?

And besides Bagapath, is he not rated?

 

[Prince EWS]

Is Barry Richards eligible?

And besides Bagapath, is he not rated?

He played Tests so he's eligible.

Most people here think he was a special talent but that his career was too short to be picked in an ATG Test team, but the opinions on him making two teams might be more varied.

 

[kyear2]

Edit, I'll go with Sunny

Should be best two teams

 

[Prince EWS]

I pick Lara which means we can finish it off now if you like.

I need an opener and a quick. You need a keeper, Viv Richards and a spinner. So not in conflict.

 

[kyear2]

I. V. A
Murali
Knott

 

[Prince EWS]

Sutcliffe
Ambrose


Hutton
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Imran*
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

I like it. Old timey top three and then iconic modern greats.

 

[kyear2]

Sutcliffe
Ambrose


Hutton
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Imran*
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

I like it. Old timey top three and then iconic modern greats.

Barry would look better up there, and he did make the cricinfo's 2nd XI

 

[kyear2]

Sir Jack Hobbs
Sunil Gavaskar
Sir Donald Bradman *
Steve Smith ^
Sir I. V. A. Richards ^
Jacques Kallis ^ (5)
Alan Knott +
Sir Richard Hadlee (2)
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Dale Steyn (3)
Muttiah Muralitharan (4)

Looks quite potent

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Sir Jack Hobbs
Sunil Gavaskar
Sir Donald Bradman *
Steve Smith ^
Sir I. V. A. Richards ^
Jacques Kallis ^ (5)
Alan Knott +
Sir Richard Hadlee (2)
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Dale Steyn (3)
Muttiah Muralitharan (4)

Looks quite potent

Hutton
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Tendulkar
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Imran*
Warne
Ambrose
McGrath

I like it. Old timey top three and then iconic modern greats.

You both forgot Jadeja.

 

[kyear2]

Thanks for your indulgence Pews, that was fun

 

[Victor Ian]

made me hunt

 

[Athlai]

Gotta give it to the team with Kallis

 

[Coronis]

Barry would look better up there, and he did make the cricinfo's 2nd XI

Do people still not understand test XI? How come ya didn’t pick Procter then?

 

[ataraxia]

Do people still not understand test XI? How come ya didn’t pick Procter then?

Richards' FC experience will undoubtedly translate into tests. The only question is to what degree. To assuage you, yes yes Sutcliffe > Barry don't worry darling

 

[Coronis]

Richards' FC experience will undoubtedly translate into tests. The only question is to what degree. To assuage you, yes yes Sutcliffe > Barry don't worry darling

lol. Thats not the point. Only Richards is mentioned despite others (mainly Procter) having similar circumstances. And he’s constantly brought up for ATG test discussions after playing just 4 tests despite there being many viable options who had full test careers - who also have similar/superior FC stats - it makes no sense.

Perhaps people really just like seeing the name Richards in their XI’s

 

[ataraxia]

lol. Thats not the point. Only Richards is mentioned despite others (mainly Procter) having similar circumstances. And he’s constantly brought up for ATG test discussions after playing just 4 tests despite there being many viable options who had full test careers - who also have similar/superior FC stats - it makes no sense.

Well I mean it's based on how revered he was, in that it's very rare to encounter a batsman who receives plaudits for his swashbuckling batting and averages north of 50.

Both Richardii were viewed to be phenomenal even against the best of the best, to a degree that Procter did not near. Reputation is all we have to go off, and here it does not override batting average but supports it. It's my opinion that for Barry all the evidence points towards him being very very good.

 

[Coronis]

Well I mean it's based on how revered he was, in that it's very rare to encounter a batsman who receives plaudits for his swashbuckling batting and averages north of 50.

Both Richardii were viewed to be phenomenal even against the best of the best, to a degree that Procter did not near. Reputation is all we have to go off, and here it does not override batting average but supports it. It's my opinion that for Barry all the evidence points towards him being very very good.

And the reputation thing is where I have a problem. Based on reputation Compton is a far greater batsman than Barrington for example.

Lets take Richards and Boycott for example. If you look at a one series sample for Boycott or look at his performances in ROW matches he comes out looking as good or better as Richards - he also happened to have a longer FC career and a higher average than Richards, despite them playing in the same FC competition for the majority of their careers. And yet despite all that and Boycott actually having a test career I see Richards more often mentioned in ATG test discussions than Boycott - its frankly ridiculous.

I have no doubt if Richards had a full test career he’d likely be amongst the top 5 openers of all time but he didn’t and to constantly bring him up in ATG Test XI discussions is stupid.

 

[ataraxia]

I have no doubt if Richards had a full test career he’d likely be amongst the top 5 openers of all time but he didn’t and to constantly bring him up in ATG Test XI discussions is stupid.

So this is my qualm. If you think Barry with a full test career would probably be a top-5 opener, then rate him as such. All-time discussions are all about hypotheticals already, and it really gets on my nerves when people restrict themselves to test performances. Because for me, I'm rating on how players would fare in a hypothetical test tournament and not anything else.

So I do something akin to taking the 40th percentile of where I think Barry would end up after a full test career, and rate him on that.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Pollock vs Richards who was better? Their FC stats are identical