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20 Greatest ODIs (by ESPNCricinfo)

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Xix2565

International Regular
subshakerz said:
I love how worked up you get over a game nobody saw over 30 years ago.

You haven't actually addressed my point of how a great innings from Kapil makes a great game. If that is the criteria, there are quite a few innings better than Kapil's, which was likely a slogfest minnow bashing, that aren't on the list.
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You have idiotic criteria, what else is there to say? For others, the innings, match situation and overall value of the game for India that WC and the consequences in the future after 1983 is enough to remember it as a great game. For you every single player must be an ATG having an ATG performance to even be considered for a ranking.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Xix2565 said:
You have idiotic criteria, what else is there to say? For others, the innings, match situation and overall value of the game for India that WC and the consequences in the future after 1983 is enough to remember it as a great game. For you every single player must be an ATG having an ATG performance to even be considered for a ranking.
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There is nothing to remember since nobody here watched it. On paper it was a match with a great innings, not a great game.

You might as well record every win by India in that tournament in the top 20 list because they all led to 83 win and its consequences. Or you can only put the 83 final which was actually a much better and more consequential match.

Let's just make a list of the greatest ODI innings ever and call that it the greatest ODI list.
 
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Xix2565

International Regular
subshakerz said:
There is nothing to remember since nobody here watched it. On paper it was a match with a great innings, not a great game.

You might as well record every win by India in that tournament in the top 20 list because they all led to 83 win and its consequences. Or you can only put the 83 final which was actually a much better and more consequential match.

Let's just make a list of the greatest ODI innings ever and call that it the greatest ODI list.
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There's nothing for you to remember. That isn't the common consensus or even a reasonable opinion.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Xix2565 said:
There's nothing for you to remember. That isn't the common consensus or even a reasonable opinion.
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Maybe you need to drink a glass of water and chill because I didn't insult your family member.

I am repeating the same points others have said before in this thread. Great innings, not great match. Try to restrain your nationalistic sentiments please.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
subshakerz said:
There is nothing to remember since nobody here watched it. On paper it was a match with a great innings, not a great game.

You might as well record every win by India in that tournament in the top 20 list because they all led to 83 win and its consequences. Or you can only put the 83 final which was actually a much better and more consequential match.

Let's just make a list of the greatest ODI innings ever and call that it the greatest ODI list.
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let me try and lay out this out for you and even though as General Melchett once said, it’s “as pointless as teaching a woman the value of a good forward defensive shot”

- irrespective of who the opponent is, when you’re down 17/5 on a greentop, your probability of winning is sub 1%

-in 1983, to score 175(138) was unheard of, to do it from that situation is still unprecedented

- that inning changed the probability of winning from sub 1% to 90%. The Zimbabwean innings is irrelevant. By definition, a match that has such a shift in probability of outcome is a great match

- while it wasn’t televised, many of the great cricketing journalists (John Woodcock most notably) have chronicled it in print in the most glowing of fashion. We will never see George Headley play but know he is great from reading CLR James; same with Jack Hobbs and Neville Cardus. The writing brings the match to life and few ODIs have beenwritten about in the same way

- it was a life / death match in a world cup

tell me what other world cup match by an eventual winner had the shame shift in probability
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
ma1978 said:
let me try and lay out this out for you and even though as General Melchett once said, it’s “as pointless as teaching a woman the value of a good forward defensive shot”

- irrespective of who the opponent is, when you’re down 17/5 on a greentop, your probability of winning is sub 1%

-in 1983, to score 175(138) was unheard of, to do it from that situation is still unprecedented

- that inning changed the probability of winning from sub 1% to 90%. The Zimbabwean innings is irrelevant. By definition, a match that has such a shift in probability of outcome is a great match

- while it wasn’t televised, many of the great cricketing journalists (John Woodcock most notably) have chronicled it in print in the most glowing of fashion. We will never see George Headley play but know he is great from reading CLR James; same with Jack Hobbs and Neville Cardus. The writing brings the match to life and few ODIs have beenwritten about in the same way

- it was a life / death match in a world cup

tell me what other world cup match by an eventual winner had the shame shift in probability
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Thanks that is a better more measured response. I may not agree totally because I believe for a great game both innings must have high relevance but it's a respectable opinion and articulated better than some of the other riffraff.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Interesting to read only about 4 posts on the Number 7 entry. Perhaps it's because we all actually agree it has a right to be there.

I was there that day, had some fantastic drunken banter (ah the good old days when you could take your own alcohol into Lord's) with the Indian fans throughout that run chase as momentum ebbed and flowed. In a list of potential match winners, I don't think many would have selected Kaif. Magnificent game of cricket though.
 
The Sean

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Molehill said:
Interesting to read only about 4 posts on the Number 7 entry. Perhaps it's because we all actually agree it has a right to be there.

I was there that day, had some fantastic drunken banter (ah the good old days when you could take your own alcohol into Lord's) with the Indian fans throughout that run chase as momentum ebbed and flowed. In a list of potential match winners, I don't think many would have selected Kaif. Magnificent game of cricket though.
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You still can - I think it's the only ground left that you're still allowed to.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
The Sean said:
You still can - I think it's the only ground left that you're still allowed to.
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You maybe right (although I bet it's limited) - so long since I've been there due to the daft ticket prices. I remember The Oval being the first to stop us and we ended up mixing a load of spirits into bottles of lemonade outside the ground.

GIMH said:
Yeah think it’s basically a bottle of wine or couple of beers you can take in isn’t it?
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Yeah, don't think you can take in spirits anymore.
 
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