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You can have three backups/reserves iirc
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England thread
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Chin Music
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I'm a little surprised that this hasn't happened already. It is not like Roy has much in the way of particularly recent List A form to go on, his last match being the ODI in Bangladesh. He looks a player on the decline over the last couple of years generally.
Nintendo
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He's made 2 or 3 odi hundreds in his last two series (BANG and SA). Doubt ENG will bin him off just before a WC like that.
Nintendo
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Think it's more their spinners, honestly. Rashid's struggled to get an IPL gig his whole career cause people don't think he works over their, and when he has played over there in international/domestic he's been pretty poor. Moeen's averaging 55 in ODIs since the last WC and livingstone isn't much better. AUS aren't much better with agar/maxwell, but we atleast have zampa.
Chin Music
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He had a whole load of failures in between his tons last winter and was poor last year with his only other ton being against the Netherlands.
Molehill
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Not sure there's that much doom and gloom. We're struggling with the fact Brook (who would probably walk into every other squad) can't get into ours. The batting is still the envy of others and will certainly blow a few teams away in the group stage.
But @Nintendo is right about the spinners. I think that could be a weakness, especially if Stokes can't offer a few overs to back them up.
Nintendo
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Since the start of that netherlands series he's averaging 38.5 instead of his career mark of 40 and he's still striking at 100+. Malan could work instead but you lose SR, and I think sr is more important for england right now given how deep they bat and there lack of a decent spinner.
mackembhoy
International Regular
That's the case for all of the England team and most of the internationals in world cricket, that don't play list A outside of ODI's.
He averages 46 this year with two centuries for England. Got more form than Bairstow for example who hasn't played a single ODI or List A game since July 2022.
Both Bairstow and Roy had terrible Hundred campaigns too.
Same could be said for Bairstow
mackembhoy
International Regular
Same could be said for Bairstow
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
The difference is that Roy pretty much wants to be a specialist gun for hire and Bairstow was injured. I have far more faith in Bairstow coming good in any format. Sure, Bairstow looked understandably rusty as a player in the earlier part of the Ashes, but he looked in far better form with the bat come the end of that series. Roy looks so much of a hack when he starts innings at the moment. Sure, he might score quickly once he gets going but has every chance of scoring about 2 or 3 off 20 on a fairly regular basis than the occasional big innings when he does get started.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
He only played 4 matches, not like he consistently failed across 11.
He's also the back up keeper so goes regardless.
hazsa19
International Regular
I say this without much to back it up because we hardly seem to play odis now, but our team just seems a bit old. Plus stokes is on 1 leg and JB isn’t exactly the whippet in the field he once was. I hope for their sake it’s not a tournament too far.
grecian
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Yeah this is my slight fear, TBH I'm not that worried about the bowling, there's still performers around, but in the end our relative dominance of the last 7 or so years in white-ball has been scoring fast and big, is the stamina there for that amongst many, we'll see. I guess they deserve their chance to defend, but whatever the result, think we need to move on afterwards.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Agree with this, but then who would replace them really? Top spinner in The Hundred was Rashid (although good to see Rehan just below him). Buttler was top run scorer by a country mile (he basically had Roy's tally between him and 2nd spot). Some of the Test players seemed to struggle going back to this form - although not Brook which is why he continues to be the name mentioned as the one who probably should be in the squad.
Hopefully the upcoming ODI's can sort out the situation, but I do think Roy will need runs.
Red_Ink_Squid
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Thing is, the home World Cup in 2019 was a huge priority for the England. Strauss as director of cricket basically made ODIs the most important format for the team in the 4 year lead up. We played loads of ODIs, the ODI team got less rotation and resting than the Test team did, they had a core group who had played together lots and had gotten into the habit of winning games and series together.
After 2019, the ECB flicked the ODI switch back to "off". Obviously COVID happened, but even in other years we just haven't played many ODIs. And when we have, it's the format that's seen most rotation with Tests (rightly) but also T20s prioritised. Not only that, but the domestic 50 over comp has been sidelined - it runs alongside the Hundred and thus features mostly reserve players who can't get a franchise gig.
So we don't really have a settled team, and they've barely played the format even at domestic level in years. (Plus away conditions, aging team, no Morgan captain, Stokes can't bowl...)
Eh, we've got some good players so we've got a shot but we're not well prepared for it.
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Roy sucks now, Bairstow and Root haven't played in over a year, Stokes's cowardice may well keep out a better player, Moeen is awful as a frontline bowlers which he is expected to be in India, there's no star pacer for England except Wood who hasn't excelled in ODIs either and as a whole England's strengths don't necessarily translate well to slower SC tracks. Buttler is a god and you'd expect the other senior batsmen to step up despite the rust but yeah, England doesn't stand out as much this time.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
I think this is where Stokes comes in. The ICC managed to create some very un-English like pitches for the last World Cup that required more than just the bish bash bosh that the top order were used to doing. I can see us getting some tired pitches by the end of this tournament that will require some real grit to force a 250 plus total.