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Jacques Kallis vs Dale Steyn

Who is the greater test cricketer

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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Steyn was (definitely) the better specialist and imo the better match winner.

Steyn for me
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Top tier fast bowlers are better than Kallis the all-rounder.

Steyn was the best bowler in the world for like 7-8 years. Kallis was never the best bat of his era.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
Kallis either just makes, or at the very least is closer to making a modern best XI, for mine. Don't necessarily know if that's the best way to pick between the two, but in such tomfoolery comparisons it's the most I've got.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
subshakerz said:
Top tier fast bowlers are better than Kallis the all-rounder.

Steyn was the best bowler in the world for like 7-8 years. Kallis was never the best bat of his era.
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Your underrating of Kallis' batting aside, he was the best AR in the world for a lot longer than 7-8 years, and ARs are inherently better.

This doesn't actually mean Kallis was better, because it's an inherently flawed way of judging a player. But Kallis was better.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
Your underrating of Kallis' batting aside, he was the best AR in the world for a lot longer than 7-8 years, and ARs are inherently better.

This doesn't actually mean Kallis was better, because it's an inherently flawed way of judging a player. But Kallis was better.
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No they aren't. Returns on primary specialisation level for ATGs generally matters more unless your secondary skills are good enough to be a specialist bat or bowler.

Steyn is a top tier fast bowler, the best of his era, and he is a level above Kallis the bat who to me wasn't in the top 20 bats of all-time.

Kallis' bowling skills are overrated, he wasn't good enough to be selected as a bowler alone in most teams based on his output.

The value of Steyn's extra bowling quality outweighs any perceived benefits of Kallis' bowling.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
subshakerz said:
No they aren't. Returns on primary specialisation level for ATGs generally matters more unless your secondary skills are good enough to be a specialist bat or bowler.

Steyn is a top tier fast bowler, the best of his era, and he is a level above Kallis the bat who to me wasn't in the top 20 bats of all-time.

Kallis' bowling skills are overrated, he wasn't good enough to be selected as a bowler alone in most teams based on his output.

The value of Steyn's extra bowling quality outweighs any perceived benefits of Kallis' bowling.
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They are definitionally superior. An AR can be better than a specialist in both disciplines. A specialist can only be better in 1.

Stick 4 of the best ARs in a team together and you probably have an ATG team (unless heavily favouring batting ARs). Stick 4 stupid good specialists in and you might end up pretty close to RSA a few years ago, or India in the 2000s.

The fact that a specialist can be better than an AR is not relevant to the argument you are making about number 1s.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
They are definitionally superior. An AR can be better than a specialist in both disciplines. A specialist can only be better in 1.

Stick 4 of the best ARs in a team together and you probably have an ATG team (unless heavily favouring batting ARs). Stick 4 stupid good specialists in and you might end up pretty close to RSA a few years ago, or India in the 2000s.

The fact that a specialist can be better than an AR is not relevant to the argument you are making about number 1s.
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No, they aren't. It's a about overall value you give to the side. Would you rate Miller ahead of Tendulkar as a cricketer?

In the case of Kallis vs Steyn, he isn't better in his main discipline, and their level of difference overrides his bowling ability.
 
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