England's 2005 Ashes side vs England 2023 'Bazball' Ashes side.

[number11]

We can never forget 2005, and the new Bazball style is fabulous viewing. Who do you think would win if the Eng team in the 05 series played the 2023 vintage?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

The one that doesn't get docked points for slow over-rate

 

[Aidan11]

2023.

 

[Blenkinsop]

The one with more Murray Mints.

 

[91Jmay]

We can never forget 2005, and the new Bazball style is fabulous viewing. Who do you think would win if the Eng team in the 05 series played the 2023 vintage?

05 wins but closer than people would probably think. That team had some ordinary players but seam bowlers would blow this lot away I think, despite them having better batting. Only Tresco was a top player in the lineup really.

 

[GIMH]

Did this during the series but now it’s finished, and based purely off output in the series here’s my composite XI

Trescothick
Crawley
Stokes*
Root
Pietersen
Flintoff
Bairstow+
Ali
Woakes
Broad
S Jones

Disagree with my attack if you want but it was harder to leave Wood out than Hoggard or Harmison.

05 team more than the sum of its parts for me.

 

[loterry1994]

2005 side they ended a long ashes drought against one the best Aussie sides ever. The 2023 side didn’t even win at home. Hard to compare the two also as the Bazball era hasn’t went on long enough yeah they’ve had a good year. The 2005 side didn’t last too long also.

 

[Pothas]

Yeah if we go by career then 2023 might edge it but it is still pretty close

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Root
Pietersen
Stokes
Bairstow
Flintoff
Ali
Broad
Anderson

Bats deep

Of course if we look at careers in a few years time then Brook will hopefully make it.

2010 is quite obviously a long way ahead of both.

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah if we go by career then 2023 might edge it but it is still pretty close

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Root
Pietersen
Stokes
Bairstow
Flintoff
Ali
Broad
Anderson

Bats deep

Of course if we look at careers in a few years time then Brook will hopefully make it.

2010 is quite obviously a long way ahead of both.

I think '23 do have better players but think '05 was a more cohesive unit that excuted in big moments pretty consistently. Wasn't just Aus win, also beat a good saffer side away as well as a half decent windies team away during that period.

Strauss
Trescothick
Vaughan
Root
KP
Freddie
Stokes
Read
Broad
Leach
Jones

Out of the box, but both Freddie and Stokes are worse lower down and Read is one of the best pure keepers we've ever produced. Leach is getting underrated here I think, considerably better bowler than Mo.

No swing bowler feels weird af though. Tempted by Hoggy for Jones because of that. Would have basically 3 reverse swing/older ball seamers.

 

[subshakerz]

Stokes side finds a way somehow.

 

[GIMH]

2010 is quite obviously a long way ahead of both.

The only thing that team was really missing was Flintoff or Stokes

 

[Ali TT]

The only thing that team was really missing was Flintoff or Stokes

Obviously you'd drop Collingwood but would you include one of the all-rounders or Root in his place? That batting lineup was in such insane form that it would be hard to argue Root goes ahead of any of the top 5.

Guess you could swap out Bresnan/Finn for Flintoff, Simon Jones or maybe even Woakes (who'd probably find an overseas wicket to his liking at the 2010 MCG) and maybe Wood for Tremlett but none of those choices are locked in.

 

[GIMH]

Obviously you'd drop Collingwood but would you include one of the all-rounders or Root in his place? That batting lineup was in such insane form that it would be hard to argue Root goes ahead of any of the top 5.

Guess you could swap out Bresnan/Finn for Flintoff, Simon Jones or maybe even Woakes (who'd probably find an overseas wicket to his liking at the 2010 MCG) and maybe Wood for Tremlett but none of those choices are locked in.

Oh I’d pick Root over anyone really, I just meant that either side of our best team this century we’ve had top-class all-rounders that would get into any Test side but that team never had one.

Composite 2005/10-11/23 team

Cook
Strauss (10-11 version)
Trott
Root
Pietersen
Stokes
Prior
Flintoff
Swann
Simon Jones
Anderson

That was tough and I have edited it about nine times but 1-5 picks itself

Actually if we’re going purely on the series maybe Bell does get in for Root

 

[trundler]

Oh I’d pick Root over anyone really, I just meant that either side of our best team this century we’ve had top-class all-rounders that would get into any Test side but that team never had one.

Composite 2005/10-11/23 team

Cook
Strauss (10-11 version)
Trott
Root
Pietersen
Stokes
Prior
Flintoff
Swann
Simon Jones
Anderson

That was tough and I have edited it about nine times but 1-5 picks itself

Actually if we’re going purely on the series maybe Bell does get in for Root

Jones over Broad? Wasn't Broad vital in both 2010 and 2023? Just wondering

 

[Ali TT]

Jones over Broad? Wasn't Broad vital in both 2010 and 2023? Just wondering

He was broke in 2010, replaced by Tremlett after 2 tests I think.

 

[GIMH]

Jones in 05 is the best bowler I’ve ever seen for England I reckon

 

[Jumno]

2005, Flintoff better all rounder and fills stokes boots

Quality pace attack too

 

[slowfinger]

think the recurring theme of this series was how poor the standard of cricket actually was. That wasn't the case in the 05 Ashes. England beat an OZ side almost at their best. England nearly beat an Australia side the worst I have seen them in recent memory here. Therefore I don't think it's fair the compare the two series really.

 

[subshakerz]

think the recurring theme of this series was how poor the standard of cricket actually was. That wasn't the case in the 05 Ashes. England beat an OZ side almost at their best. England nearly beat an Australia side the worst I have seen them in recent memory here. Therefore I don't think it's fair the compare the two series really.

Their pace bowling wasn't though. Outside of the 1st test, it was worse that Aussie 2023.

 

[Ali TT]

think the recurring theme of this series was how poor the standard of cricket actually was. That wasn't the case in the 05 Ashes. England beat an OZ side almost at their best. England nearly beat an Australia side the worst I have seen them in recent memory here. Therefore I don't think it's fair the compare the two series really.

Not convinced this is the worst Australian side to come to these shores in recent years. 2009, 13 and 15 were all pretty mediocre.