Is Ashwin an ATG spinner / player?

[OverratedSanity]

Subshakerz is absolutely correct. Even in this proposed second half youve just made, filtering Ashwin’s stats in Australia from 2015, shows him sitting at an average of 32.5
This is just ordinary everyday spin bowling. I dont see anything of impact or some game changing effect

I didn't say second half, you said that . I said last two tours. 4 matches, 18 wickets, 27 avg. Two test series wins.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Gibbs averages 28.5 away not 37 like ashwin so yes even Gibbs.

Ashwin averages 29.8 away from home

 

[Silver Line]

Ashwin averages 29.8 away from home

oh yeh **** thats Jadeja who has stale averages like that. yeh i reckon Gibbs and Ashwin are equal bowlers, but Ashwin is the better cricketer

 

[Silver Line]

Ashwin averages 29.8 away from home

Ashwin has an away average of 33 w/o West Indies. Yeeeet

 

[ataraxia]

Fun fact: players do worse on unfriendlier pitches against better opposition

 

[Xix2565]

Fun fact: players do worse on unfriendlier pitches against better opposition

We can't have facts dictate our discussions, only fanfiction please.

 

[subshakerz]

I am old school. Back in the day, what we expected from a SC spinner in SENA was to wait for day 4,5 on a sufficiently worn out pitch and bowl out a team and lead his team to victory. Saqlain, Mushie, Harbi, Herath, Murali and Kumble all did that. It's what I expected Ashwin would do eventually but not yet.

 

[Xix2565]

I am old school. Back in the day, what we expected from a SC spinner overseas was to wait for day 4,5 on a sufficiently worn out pitch and bowl out a team and lead his team to victory. Saqlain, Mushie, Murali and Kumble all did that. It's what I expected Ashwin would do eventually but not yet.

Largely because the pitches were made in a way to force that sort of bowling.

 

[ankitj]

He made Steve Smith, who's arguably the best since bradman, look completely foolish for two tests. His hold on him was one of the biggest factors factors in us winning the series.

And then we dropped Ashwin in WTC final against same team. Sigh

 

[_00_deathscar]

Yea, if a pitch was made to be spin friendly and India are touring, good ****ing luck with that.
**** about, find out.
West Indies did just that.

 

[ankitj]

Fun fact: players do worse on unfriendlier pitches against better opposition

Who would have thought

 

[Victor Ian]

I couldnt be ****ed turning my memory on, but did Kumble have anyone stealing his wickets in sena like Ashwin dealing with Jadeja?

 

[Majestic]

so who are the better finger spinners than ashwin apart from Murali, who is undisputed #1 offie of all time?

There aren't any in last 50 years.

 

[Victor Ian]

Using the Anderson metric, Lyon is still better than Ashwin.

 

[Majestic]

The biggest reason India won the series in Australia 2018 or 2020 wasn't Ashwin by any means.

2018 - Cheteshwar Pujara grinded the Aussies pacers by batting for hours and hours while with bowl, Bumrah was the standout performer of the series.

2020- It was Rishabh Pant's two knocks in Sydney and Gabba that absolutely forced the Aussies to go defensive and turned the series upside down. Ashwin got the better of Smith in first two tests( one of them India lost anyways) but he was clueless with bowl in third test - Sydney, where Jadeja picked 4 wickets and brought India back in the game( Aussies were 200-2 and then collapsed to 330 odd due to Jads). Bumrah and Siraj were equally standout as Ashwin.

 

[Majestic]

I couldnt be ****ed turning my memory on, but did Kumble have anyone stealing his wickets in sena like Ashwin dealing with Jadeja?

There is a massive difference in the batting lineup of Australia 2003-04 and Australia 2018. One was the best ever while the other was worst ever.

There is also quite a bit of difference in batting lineup of Australia 2003-04 and Australia 2020-21. Barring Smith and Marnus, there was lack of quality in that team too.

 

[Xix2565]

2003/04 was on literal batting paradises. Anyone could've scored runs there, the bowler with the best average (Kumble) averaged 29 ffs. Everyone else was over 30, including Gillespie and MacGill. Tell me how bowlers of any quality are supposed to get wickets in such circumstances?

 

[CricAddict]

oh yeh **** thats Jadeja who has stale averages like that. yeh i reckon Gibbs and Ashwin are equal bowlers, but Ashwin is the better cricketer

Jadeja averages 33, that's a whole lot different from 37. Don't just type because you can.

 

[Silver Line]

Jadeja averages 33, that's a whole lot different from 37. Don't just type because you can.

my bad shouldve clarified the context better, Jadeja averages 37 away w/o WI AND SL.

meanwhile Ashwin averages away even worse w/o WI AND SL at a 39.5 away average

 

[CricAddict]

my bad shouldve clarified the context better, Jadeja averages 37 away w/o WI AND SL.

meanwhile Ashwin averages away even worse w/o WI AND SL at a 39.5 away average

Yeah take out all good and you get the bad logic..ha ha...