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Weightages for Average and Strike Rates

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Silver Line

U19 Debutant
Hey guys, was doing a simple exercise on sheets.

But it raised alot of questions and led me to think more about the importance of Averages and Strike Rates (and additionally economy for bowlers)

How much would you give importance to these metrics in terms of ‘%’ by format?
 
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Silver Line

U19 Debutant
For example, for batsmen, I think Average is 70% to Strike Rate as 30% of importance

obv these weightages will start differing or might even be null for other formats. What do you think the correct % are?
 
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honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
The flaw with your methodology is the flaw with any methodology trying to objectify cricket performances based on stats.

Context. And it's almost always impossible to objectify it down to some number or formula.
 
wellAlbidarned

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
This isn't exactly what you're asking, but the current trend with analysts is making use of "real" averages, where you simply divide the statistic by the average performance for the context you're looking at, usually (in the case of white ball) a specific over number for a given country/tournament/season, but this can get as granular as you want provided you have a large enough sample size. The relative importance of a statistic is how much it stands out compared to the baseline performance in that context.
 
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Silver Line

U19 Debutant
wellAlbidarned said:
This isn't exactly what you're asking, but the current trend with analysts is making use of "real" averages, where you simply divide the statistic by the average performance for the context you're looking at, usually (in the case of white ball) a specific over number for a given country/tournament/season, but this can get as granular as you want provided you have a large enough sample size. The relative importance of a statistic is how much it stands out compared to the baseline performance in that context.
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In theory why im doing this is to define something like this, like player A has 40 average but 90 SR and player B has 50 average but 75 SR. Who is more valuable in odis.

this is where j reckon weightages can assess it, if ofc the correct % is given which is what i want to hear from CW what the numbers they reckon are
 
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Qlder

International Debutant
Silver Line said:
But it raised alot of questions and led me to think more about the importance of Averages and Strike Rates (and additionally economy for bowlers)

How much would you give importance to these metrics in terms of ‘%’ by format?
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You might want to check out this thread

Average plus Strike-Rate (APS)

I know that adding a batsman's average to his strike-rate isn't a new thing, but I was just listen to Simon Doull talk about it while commentating a T20 game and decided to make a thread about it. Being a big baseball fan, I see a lot of similarities to OPS (On-base plus Slugging), which is one...
www.cricketweb.net
 
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Silver Line

U19 Debutant
Qlder said:
You might want to check out this thread

Average plus Strike-Rate (APS)

I know that adding a batsman's average to his strike-rate isn't a new thing, but I was just listen to Simon Doull talk about it while commentating a T20 game and decided to make a thread about it. Being a big baseball fan, I see a lot of similarities to OPS (On-base plus Slugging), which is one...
www.cricketweb.net
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thats not going to work, otherwise shahid afridi enters top 10 ODI batsman of all time
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
Simple multiplication works well for ODIs. For 20-20, I've never bothered to develop a heuristic, but something like SR^2 * Ave could work.

Test cricket it's 1) arguable that higher SR matters and 2) always context dependent of relati e strengths of teams and match situation, so no simple formula would work .
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I am not sure it matters much in Test cricket overall, and when it does, it is very context dependent as in some cases, a lower strike rate (assuming the same amount of runs eg Pujara holding down one end in Australia and tiring out the bowlers) is actually beneficial to the team whereas in others (e.g Stokes recently), a faster pace really takes the momentum away from the other team.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
For ODIs just multiply the two. So outsized reward for excelling in one and also outsized penalty for sucking badly at one. No fixed weight. This combined with some adjustment for longevity gives a good ranking IMO.
 
Silver Silva

Silver Silva

International Regular
Silver Line said:
i think alot of users put SR ahead or equal to average in test bowling
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Mitchell Starc has a better Strike Rate in Tests than Glenn McGrath. Would you say Starc is ahead or equal to McGrath?

Lets use two simple scenarios :

A :
I can take 1 wicket in 5 overs ..
My SR is now 30 balls per wicket which is better than anyone in the history of the game ..But if I go at 10 an over , Ive given away 50 runs and the opposition has had some momentum..Have I really helped my team ?

B:
Now lets say I take 1 wicket in 10 overs , my SR is 60 balls per wicket , I go at 2 runs an over ..my bowling average is 20 , I have helped my team by building up dot balls , controlling the scoreboard plus I have taken a wicket ..Control is so important in Test cricket I rather have the second option .
 
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