All time Asian-XI

[Coronis]

3 pacers on a dustbowl?

No one, in Asia certainly, has as high a percentage of winning games at home as Ashwin+Jadeja do

Who says they’re playing on a dustbowl?

It's in the context of spinning wickets within the subcontinent in the modern day while wickets have actively gotten less spin friendly in pace friendly countries. Given that conditions matter a lot even for ATGs, to overlook this with regards to the drops in ability is braindead tbh.

It really isn't, unless you want to be England level.

I mean there's no point in continuing this I guess given you don't want to discuss anyway.

Again, you’re completely ignoring the point. If its a spinning wicket in India, of course Jadeja is going to be in the discussion. Most of your games won’t be in India though, this is an all conditions XI, which you seem to be unable to understand.

lol what? England is the only team that you want to pick a team to play for worldwide? Ok whatever.

I am discussing this, you are continually ignoring Jadeja’s record outside of India and basically saying oh he’s amazing in India so therefore he should be in an ATG XI (specifically designed to play anywhere vs anyone)

 

[BazBall21]

Dravid is the third best Asian bat of all time so he definitely makes an Asian all time XI.

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid is the third best Asian bat of all time so he definitely makes an Asian all time XI.

Your third best. Sachin, Gavaskar and Sanga for me.

My Test XI:

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sachin
Dravid
Miandad
Sanga +
Imran - c
Wasim
Waqar
Kumble
Murali

12th man - Kapil

Sanga can be moved up the order but down the order gives him time to relax after his keeping duties.

I picked Kumble and Murali as they are the best all-rounder spinners in all conditions and you need a leg spin/off spin combo.

Ashwin/Jadeja would be certain if this was only being played in the SC. They are not options outside though.

 

[subshakerz]

My ODI XI:

Tendulkar
Jayasuria
Rohit
Kohli
Babar
Dhoni + / c
Imran
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Murali

12th - Shakib

You need a blaster at the start of the order hence Jayasuria, plus a 6th bowling option and a left/right opening combo.

Rohit can easily bat at 3. Zaheer Abbas didn't play enough to qualify unlike Babar who already has 100 games under his belt and averages nearly 60, even if he declines will end up notably ahead of Zaheer. De Silva didnt average enough in output to merit selection. Imran and Kapil are both worldclass and undroppable. Dhoni is the best LOI captain of all-time. Murali succeeded for way longer than Saqlain.

Shakib is the option in SC in case you need an extra spin option to replace Kapil or Imran with.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

This team needs a wicketkeeper.

Dravid is there

 

[Adorable Asshole]

My ODI XI:

Tendulkar
Jayasuria
Rohit
Kohli
Babar
Dhoni + / c
Imran
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Murali

12th - Shakib

You need a blaster at the start of the order hence Jayasuria, plus a 6th bowling option and a left/right opening combo.

Rohit can easily bat at 3. Zaheer Abbas didn't play enough to qualify unlike Babar who already has 100 games under his belt and averages nearly 60, even if he declines will end up notably ahead of Zaheer. De Silva didnt average enough in output to merit selection. Imran and Kapil are both worldclass and undroppable. Dhoni is the best LOI captain of all-time. Murali succeeded for way longer than Saqlain.

Shakib is the option in SC in case you need an extra spin option to replace Kapil or Imran with.

How is 11 years not enough?

 

[Silver Line]

3 pacers on a dustbowl?

No one, in Asia certainly, has as high a percentage of winning games at home as Ashwin+Jadeja do

Wow how poor bowlers must they be to require tailored pitches to do something of note. Joe root proved it

 

[Silver Line]

Dravid is the third best Asian bat of all time so he definitely makes an Asian all time XI.

Miandad ahead, dravid was weak in odis

 

[subshakerz]

How is 11 years not enough?

60 odd games isn't enough, even accounting for the era. And half of those were scored in just 82/83 season.

 

[BazBall21]

Miandad ahead, dravid was weak in odis

Tests.

 

[Silver Line]

60 odd games isn't enough, even accounting for the era. And half of those were scored in just 82/83 season.

He played 24 out of 64 in 82/83. So incorrect.
Secondly odis had just started existing so 3-4 matches a year was common. In which he excelled in all every year.

 

[Silver Line]

Tests.

Even in tests miandad is better. Miandad had no support and yet averaged so high

 

[subshakerz]

He played 24 out of 64 in 82/83. So incorrect.
Secondly odis had just started existing so 3-4 matches a year was common. In which he excelled in all every year.

62 games is not enough by any standard unless you are picking a Pakistan ODI XI.

 

[subshakerz]

Even in tests miandad is better. Miandad had no support and yet averaged so high

Play both Miandad and Dravid in tests, neither should be dropped.

 

[BazBall21]

Play both Miandad and Dravid in tests, neither should be dropped.

Yeah. Think Sanga, Dravid and Miandad each making it is obvious.

 

[Silver Line]

Yeah. Think Sanga, Dravid and Miandad each making it is obvious.

Sanga and Miandad is obvious, its actually Younis vs Dravid that is the tough call

 

[BazBall21]

Sanga and Miandad is obvious, its actually Younis vs Dravid that is the tough call

I rate Dravid above Sanga and Miandad

 

[subshakerz]

Sanga and Miandad is obvious, its actually Younis vs Dravid that is the tough call

Dravid is ahead of Younis but it is close. Younis' entire career coincided with the flat bat era whereas Dravid was already a success in the nineties.

 

[subshakerz]

I rate Dravid above Sanga and Miandad

Sanga comes as keeper as the is no standout keeper batsmen in SC including Dhoni who was wooden with the gloves against pacers.

 

[Silver Line]

I would go with Younis though, as Dravid averages 54 during his Peak (97-05) after removing Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and WI.

54 is great stuff but in comparison to Younis’s peak numbers he falls behind. Secondly his peak window of 8 years is also lesser than the others.