*Official* Second Test (Lord's, London) 28 June–2 July

[Woodster]

The more you're here the more you'll get the references. You probably understood my "spooked" reference was just taking the piss when Woodster didn't, for example.

I have seen ‘spooked’ being used A LOT on here so knew it was some form of ‘joke’.

 

[Spark]

Yeah, waiting for the foot to lift as a result of overbalancing from their attempted stroke. Not for the foot to lift to go and talk to the non-striker, come on.

He didn't even wait for Bairstow to leave though. Bairstow was actually still in his crease by the time Carey threw the ball.

 

[Neil Young]

They've become arrogant and believed their own hype.

The style of cricket worked against second and third string attacks.

In the test we had the best attack in the world(having just lost their spinner)without a clue and England just went please have our wickets.

We don't care cos we will chase down whatever you set in us the final innings.(Duckett pretty much said this)

Ashes are over we learnt nothing from Edgbaston and made the same mistakes. They will continue to just make the mistakes and Australia will take advantage.

I kind of agree in that there was clearly a time when they needed to take their foot off the throttle and didn't.

 

[Michelle Fivefer]

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That’s the spirit!

 

[honestbharani]

not even what happened, which you'd know if you had seen it.

He didn't wait at all, that's what we're talking about. Keeper released the ball at the stumps as soon as he collected it. There really should be no controversy, only reason it looks unusual is Bairstow was an idiot

I was responding to PEWS' post which was about hypotheticals. Not on this particular dimissal. Chill off the defensive betaness. Your team won.

I have already mentioned what I feel about the dismissal.

 

[slippy888]

A 5-0 home loss to Australia will set English back to 20 years ago the dark times it no laughing matter.

 

[ripper868]

Ben 'Spirit of Cricket' Stokes tactics yesterday btw:

 

[honestbharani]

He didn't even wait for Bairstow to leave though. Bairstow was actually still in his crease by the time Carey threw the ball.

Yeah, but I am not talking about this incident. PEWS talked about how keepers delay their stumpings and I said they are not waiting for them to walk to the other end.

In this case, it was daft of Bairstow but then again, given he was not taking a run, I can see why people would have wanted Carey and Australia to withdraw the appeal. Either way, the biggest fault there was Bairstow's so I am fine with the dismissal.

 

[grecian]

"Winning the toss on a wet green wicket in overcast conditions-style"

Wet green wicket, bloody hell, really

Hey nice effort on the final day, but actually proved that not hooking everything short was the right tactic, as should have been blatantly obvious in our first dig.

Stokes and Mcullum shouldn't be under any threat, massive over-reaction by some, but if they don't modify things in certain ways, I will be amongst those that want them out. Oh and ****ing drop Crawley.

 

[Neil Young]

Ben 'Spirit of Cricket' Stokes tactics yesterday btw:
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Wagnerball.

 

[Gob]

If Green had been bowling spin with the keeper up and the Bairstow did exactly the same thing people would have just called him an idiot and moved on. You do even see keepers quite regularly delay taking the bails off waiting for the foot to lift.

I mentioned this in a post earlier but it went un noticed

What do you think about that bit where, soon after ball went past Bairstow, he looks back and gingerly marks the crease with his back foot. Does that mean he marked the crease? Couldn't be bothered to research it

 

[Nintendo]

FWIW, I do think Stokes has to take the blame for being 0-2 down here but not for that funky declaration or even the Bazball batting. To me, the costliest mistakes he made this series so far has been the fact that he visibly took it easy once Aus were 8 down last game. Root should not have bowled and they should have known Cummins has become a decent T20 biffer. The game was not won, they (and especially Stokes) seemed to think it was and it is what has cost them.

They could have been 1-1 now if not for that piece of lazy cricket. To me, a lot of the other stuff, even the braindead batting in the first innings here, have been a result of that loss. But it does look like the incident has woken up this team. Will be interesting to see how they go in the remaining tests. I am hoping we get a decider in the last test.

Cummins is a decent t20 buffer vs PACE, his numbers vs spin are dreadful, and root had proven effective before that over and got Carey out. If your really taking Cummins t20 hitting into the equation, root with the old ball was a better call.

 

[honestbharani]

Oh and ****ing drop Crawley.

lol.. Pope has been worse. And leg side strangles are always unfortunate.

Actually both tests could have gone either way. This reminds me of the 2018 Ind-Eng series in England. A few small things and the other side could easily be 2-0 up. As long as they can play with the passion and spirit they showed today and add a modicum of sense to how they play, they should still be very competitive in this series and could even snag the next two games. Not the time for overreaction.

And if anything, Anderson and Robinson should be dropped for Woakes and Wood.

 

[Ashes81]

Ben 'Spirit of Cricket' Stokes tactics yesterday btw:
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I didn't like this tactic but its got nothing to do with the Spirit of Cricket, however you define that.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I was responding to PEWS' post which was about hypotheticals. Not on this particular dimissal. Chill off the defensive betaness. Your team won.

I have already mentioned what I feel about the dismissal.

No it was my hypothetical that PEWS was responding to. And there's no need to throw childish insults, your post doesn't make sense unless you mistakenly assumed that the keeper waited in this instance, so you can see why I would assume that's what you thought happened

 

[Socerer 01]

maybe if England selected this guy they would have done effective stumpings like Carey and then called them smart play instead of whining in the post match

 

[honestbharani]

Cummins is a decent t20 buffer vs PACE, his numbers vs spin are dreadful, and root had proven effective before that over and got Carey out. If your really taking Cummins t20 hitting into the equation, root with the old ball was a better call.

He has been smashing spinners in the IPL too mate. And Root is hardly a top class spinner. When you are in the mood to slog, its easy to line up blokes like Root. It was just an overconfident and lazy decision.

 

[chris.hinton]

England for the 3rd test IMO

Crawley, Duckett, Bairstow, Root, Brook, Stokes, Foakes, Broad, Wood, Robinson, Tongue

Australia

Warner, Khawaja, Labuschagne, Smith, Head, Carey, Renshaw, Starc, Cummings, Murphy, Hazelwood

 

[Ashes81]

England for the 3rd test IMO

Crawley, Duckett, Bairstow, Root, Brook, Stokes, Foakes, Broad, Wood, Robinson, Tongue

Australia

Warner, Khawaja, Labuschagne, Smith, Head, Carey, Renshaw, Starc, Cummings, Murphy, Hazelwood

No chance mate, we've named our squad and Foakes isn't in it

 

[honestbharani]

If England really wanna commit to Bazball style batting, they have to understand they will need depth in the batting to pull it off. Woakes and Ali presumably for Anderson and Robinson could make it happen. But they have to ensure Moeen is actually fit to bowl a lot of overs. If not, bring in Woakes at least for Anderson and play Wood for Robinson. Tongue has actually stood up well in this game and shown a lot of courage. I would back him for the next test. And Broad can lead the attack and also bat 9. Wood is a pretty decent biffer as well, if I am not wrong.