How long can Bazball last?

[loterry1994]

Think most of us can agree that England needed to change their style in tests because the last 4-5 years they were losing a lot of test matches at home to teams like India, Australia, New Zealand, West Indies etc.

and this new method has brought success so far over the last year since stokes took the captaincy and mcullum became coach. But how long can and will it last if they starting lose more matches and series at home and away?

Still haven’t tried this way in places like India, South Africa and Australia where it will be a lot harder to employ

 

[Socerer 01]

why is it harder in Australia if anything it should work there great

they won their last series in South African while being **** according to everyone, they will be fine with this approach. nobody wins in India anyway and they don’t have good spinners to win conventionally, this way they stand a chance

for **** sake they lost 1 test after winning 17 by 2 wickets, they deserve to be trolled for their media comments but they have been wildly successful with it and only get better

 

[loterry1994]

why is it harder in Australia if anything it should work there great

they won their last series in South African while being **** according to everyone, they will be fine with this approach. nobody wins in India anyway and they don’t have good spinners to win conventionally, this way they stand a chance

for **** sake they lost 1 test after winning 17 by 2 wickets, they deserve to be trolled for their media comments but they have been wildly successful with it and only get better

wasn’t tryna troll with it but asking about it. I forgot they beat South Africa recently as well

 

[Coronis]

Less than 5 days, apparently.

 

[Aidan11]

The entire tenure of the Stokes/McCullum. Partnership.

 

[CartyDurham]

I know it’s hard but it’s England trying to attack a game to win no matter what

That is all that it is. It’s a change for 40 years of making sure of a draw and hoping to win, to going to win first , or lose trying to force a win

you won’t see draws with this england team unless it’s weather related

it’s not bazball , that is clearly in the heads but all out attack .

 

[ankitj]

Until Stokes declares I think.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

~75 overs.

 

[smash84]

It's going to fail when Eng come up against Australia (as we are going to see now). Bazball is aggressive cricket and requires a lot of mental toughness (which this England side does have) to pull off (some mind games as well by putting the opposition on the backfoot with media talk). But Australia are generally the toughest side in terms of mental toughness and England will find it hard to win mind games against them.

So, bazball is coming to an end, at least for this series.

 

[subshakerz]

BazBall is very connected with this team and its leadership. I dont see it translating much to others.

 

[CartyDurham]

Could you equate Bazball to all out attack and trying to win by any legal method possible ?

I think that is what it is and nobody would want every team to use that method

it’s just what the England group feels is how they can win

should they adopt safety first and look for draws instead ?

 

[subshakerz]

It's going to fail when Eng come up against Australia (as we are going to see now). Bazball is aggressive cricket and requires a lot of mental toughness (which this England side does have) to pull off (some mind games as well by putting the opposition on the backfoot with media talk). But Australia are generally the toughest side in terms of mental toughness and England will find it hard to win mind games against them.

So, bazball is coming to an end, at least for this series.

No. BazBall kept England ahead of Australia this test and could easily have given them a victory. It will continue.

 

[SteveNZ]

BazBall is very connected with this team and its leadership. I dont see it translating much to others.

It is, but that's not to say it won't have influences on future sides not only in England but around the world, for the now and future generations. We've been exposed to a new way of playing Test cricket and sides can decide whether that fits their personnel. Like it or lump it, the future generations are, to a degree, going to grow up with less romance about the leave outside off stump and turgid two-an-over hard Test sessions.

International football is great because you have the flair of South American sides, the efficiency of European sides, Asian sides bring their own style as do Africa, but those aren't set in stone for those sides either - they change by personnel, coaches, generations and other influences. Test cricket can, and will be the same.

But yeah, when Stokes and Baz aren't in charge, which will happen in the next 2 years, England will undergo a transformation. But I imagine they'll take a lot out of this time and try to take forward as much as they can, certainly the self-confidence that took them from no-hopers to where they are now in a year.

One side I could see that could benefit from something like the 'Bazball' model is the Windies. They desperately need the identity.

 

[CartyDurham]

It is, but that's not to say it won't have influences on future sides not only in England but around the world, for the now and future generations. We've been exposed to a new way of playing Test cricket and sides can decide whether that fits their personnel. Like it or lump it, the future generations are, to a degree, going to grow up with less romance about the leave outside off stump and turgid two-an-over hard Test sessions.

International football is great because you have the flair of South American sides, the efficiency of European sides, Asian sides bring their own style as do Africa, but those aren't set in stone for those sides either - they change by personnel, coaches, generations and other influences. Test cricket can, and will be the same.

But yeah, when Stokes and Baz aren't in charge, which will happen in the next 2 years, England will undergo a transformation. But I imagine they'll take a lot out of this time and try to take forward as much as they can, certainly the self-confidence that took them from no-hopers to where they are now in a year.

One side I could see that could benefit from something like the 'Bazball' model is the Windies. They desperately need the identity.

Quality assessment

 

[Ashes81]

In the coming years, I think all sides will play a much more attacking style of cricket as that's essentially what fans want to see.

Cricket nuts like most of us on here may be more than happy to watch a more cautious approach, but the average cricket fan wants to see more action - that's why T20 is so popular and also why many traditional cricket fans are less keen on it.

Cricket over the last 50 years or so has become more a more condensed game. ODI's used to be 60 overs now they're 50.

Power plays and restricted fields have been introduced to keep the game flowing.

Then of course there's T20 and even T10.

All these changes have impacted test cricket as well, making the game more dynamic. One day skills are part and parcel of the test players armoury and that will continue in the future.

Bazball, well rather, versions of it, are here to stay.

 

[CartyDurham]

In the coming years, I think all sides will play a much more attacking style of cricket as that's essentially what fans want to see.

Cricket nuts like most of us on here may be more than happy to watch a more cautious approach, but the average cricket fan wants to see more action - that's why T20 is so popular and also why many traditional cricket fans are less keen on it.

Cricket over the last 50 years or so has become more a more condensed game. ODI's used to be 60 overs now they're 50.

Power plays and restricted fields have been introduced to keep the game flowing.

Then of course there's T20 and even T10.

All these changes have impacted test cricket as well, making the game more dynamic. One day skills are part and parcel of the test players armoury and that will continue in the future.

Bazball, well rather, versions of it, are here to stay.

I’m liking these posts. I love a bit of stout defence but my age bracket are not going to be around much longer and any new fans have to have an attractive game to follow

T20 is king these days and test cricket needs to try and keep up with the pace of todays life

 

[Prince EWS]

Until Stokes declares I think.

So not long then.

 

[Chubb]

It's already over just like the Ashes.

 

[Nintendo]

It's going to fail when Eng come up against Australia (as we are going to see now). Bazball is aggressive cricket and requires a lot of mental toughness (which this England side does have) to pull off (some mind games as well by putting the opposition on the backfoot with media talk). But Australia are generally the toughest side in terms of mental toughness and England will find it hard to win mind games against them.

So, bazball is coming to an end, at least for this series.

This Australian side collapsed mentally at home against an Indian touring side composed of net bowlers being held together by duct tape. We bowled them out for 38 in the first test and still went 0-2 in the next three.

Our mental game is alot better under Cummins, and we're more thorough, but I don't think we're a mentally tough side. Last Ashes when bairstow and Stokes started counter attacking we lost the plot. Go back through the last 5 years of AUS cricket and you see us folding under pressure even when ahead under Cummins and Paine.

 

[honestbharani]

This Australian side collapsed mentally at home against an Indian touring side composed of net bowlers being held together by duct tape. We bowled them out for 38 in the first test and still went 0-2 in the next three.

Our mental game is alot better under Cummins, and we're more thorough, but I don't think we're a mentally tough side. Last Ashes when bairstow and Stokes started counter attacking we lost the plot. Go back through the last 5 years of AUS cricket and you see us folding under pressure even when ahead under Cummins and Paine.

I feel losing 8 wickets chasing on that track was actually a bad performance too. It was a game of mistakes and Aus won coz Eng made more. But given the sound bytes coming from England, I do think there is a bit of panic on that side of the camp after that result.

Will take a lot of mental strength and resolve on the part of Stokes, Baz etc. to keep them playing Bazball, and obviously some luck too.