South Africa team selection

[Kenneth Viljoen]

I'm gutted we can't pick Leus Du Plooy , looks a mighty fine white ball player

 

[Dendarii]

How is contracts and pre selection contracts not part of selection policies also there was and is a lot of he is in then not then available then not etc which doesn't install confidence when getting to selecting our best possible ?

This might be getting into semantics, but I would say that a policy would be a decision not to pick players given certain criteria. In the case of Faf, they were prepared to pick him, but they couldn't figure out a structure that would accommodate freelance players. So it wasn't a deliberate exclusion, but rather one that arose through circumstance/incompetence.

 

[Socerer 01]

Referring to the previous world cup nonsense around AB , similar things now happening with Faf .

That is an interesting way of looking at it , as some teams/countries have players not in their starting 11 that will easily get into other teams first 11 .

why would you want Faf back when the batting is fine for the world cup this year? i havent seen any news of Faf coming back either

and wasnt Ab not picked because he didn't want to be available and only told he was willing to be selected at the last minute? the one who would have made way for him was van der dussen who had a good tournament anyway

 

[Krypto]

I am

why would you want Faf back when the batting is fine for the world cup this year? i havent seen any news of Faf coming back either

and wasnt Ab not picked because he didn't want to be available and only told he was willing to be selected at the last minute? the one who would have made way for him was van der dussen who had a good tournament anyway

I am surprised by your opinion but respect it, AB and Faf for me is players you make a place for as they are at the upper echelon and if compared to any others get placed over them and players you fight tooth and nail to get into your 11 as they are match winners and consistent at it . However you seem to think differently and that's ok.

 

[Krypto]

This might be getting into semantics, but I would say that a policy would be a decision not to pick players given certain criteria. In the case of Faf, they were prepared to pick him, but they couldn't figure out a structure that would accommodate freelance players. So it wasn't a deliberate exclusion, but rather one that arose through circumstance/incompetence.

Agreed

 

[Marius]

Im not sure if this is the right place but i believe South Africa is undisputed in one category and its unwanted however I believe we can produce the greatest 11 that never played for their country of Birth , has their been such a discussion ? I am unable to find it . If you look at current cricketers if they were available for SA it would be one hell of a list .

Why don't you start a thread to have this discussion?

I think it's interesting and deserves its own thread and won't clog this one up.

 

[Marius]

why would you want Faf back when the batting is fine for the world cup this year? i havent seen any news of Faf coming back either

and wasnt Ab not picked because he didn't want to be available and only told he was willing to be selected at the last minute? the one who would have made way for him was van der dussen who had a good tournament anyway

Faf and Rob Walter have apparently been talking and there is a slim possibility Faf could make himself available for white ball stuff. A problem is CSA has been very reluctant to let players pick and choose formats by awarding contracts for only certain formats (although we de facto have that anyway, Elgar in Tests, Miller in white ball etc).

 

[Krypto]

Why don't you start a thread to have this discussion?

I think it's interesting and deserves its own thread and won't clog this one up.

Apologies

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Unnecessary from Bavuma

No place for Dewald Brevis in South Africa team: Temba Bavuma gives brutal verdict

Dewald Brevis, a rising star in South African cricket, has garnered considerable attention due to his impressive performances.

crictoday.com

 

[Socerer 01]

he didn’t say anything controversial there did he

 

[Krypto]

"I can’t even make the T20 side; the players who are currently playing are very good.” So, where does a gifted guy such as Dewald fit in? “The top five or six white-ball players are also quite strong,” that extract speaks volumes, Bavuma is an excellent long format player however isn't a natural t20 batsman, this sounds like trying to envoke his own chances by the cost of exceptional young talent.

 

[Nintendo]

"I can’t even make the T20 side; the players who are currently playing are very good.” So, where does a gifted guy such as Dewald fit in? “The top five or six white-ball players are also quite strong,” that extract speaks volumes, Bavuma is an excellent long format player however isn't a natural t20 batsman, this sounds like trying to envoke his own chances by the cost of exceptional young talent.

Huh? Bavumas just saying SA have a very strong Whiteball top 6 atm, competition for a spot is hard. Bavuma is SA's best bat across test and ODI right now and can't make into the 11.

 

[Krypto]

Huh? Bavumas just saying SA have a very strong Whiteball top 6 atm, competition for a spot is hard. Bavuma is SA's best bat across test and ODI right now and can't make into the 11.

That was kind of the point, why mention t20 where Brevis is a specialist? Especially with the fact that Bavuma is found wanting in that format, it's a unnecessary comparison and one more highlighting his own career than those in question. Why compare Brevis with Bavuma, two completely seperate type of players. In T20 Brevis should be part of the conversation and Bavuma shouldn't be. The opposite in tests. ODI would be fair. The whole thing is kinda redicoulas coming from a leader and gives the impression of soreness and sourness of getting excluded from t20 and not really looking at results and neccesary aptitudes etc

 

[Socerer 01]

"I can’t even make the T20 side; the players who are currently playing are very good.” So, where does a gifted guy such as Dewald fit in? “The top five or six white-ball players are also quite strong,” that extract speaks volumes, Bavuma is an excellent long format player however isn't a natural t20 batsman, this sounds like trying to envoke his own chances by the cost of exceptional young talent.

you’re reading into this more than Bavuma meant

Brevis will one day be the best batsman for SA but today he is an inconsistent player who shouldn’t be in the team

That was kind of the point, why mention t20 where Brevis is a specialist? Especially with the fact that Bavuma is found wanting in that format, it's a unnecessary comparison and one more highlighting his own career than those in question. Why compare Brevis with Bavuma, two completely seperate type of players. In T20 Brevis should be part of the conversation and Bavuma shouldn't be. The opposite in tests. ODI would be fair. The whole thing is kinda redicoulas coming from a leader and gives the impression of soreness and sourness of getting excluded from t20 and not really looking at results and neccesary aptitudes etc

the media asked him the question in that way didnt they, again why is Bavuma getting a character study based off one quote

 

[Krypto]

you’re reading into this more than Bavuma meant

Brevis will one day be the best batsman for SA but today he is an inconsistent player who shouldn’t be in the team



the media asked him the question in that way didnt they, again why is Bavuma getting a character study based off one quote

As a ex t20 captain and current longer format captain he should be measured by different standards. So yes his words carries weight and his character is always in question part of being a national captain. Part of why I find this distastefull. Young talent should be protected by senior players especially leaders and captains. Handling the media is part and partial isn't it. Also his opinion caries weight and affects selection to small degrees, comparisons etc should be left to us the fans and secondly if your 33 and comparing a 20 year old and bringing your own career and place into it doesn't install confidents wonder what Brevis, Stubbs, Coetzee and the other youngsters think of these public statements.

 

[Dendarii]

Also his opinion caries weight and affects selection to small degrees, comparisons etc should be left to us the fans and secondly if your 33 and comparing a 20 year old and bringing your own career and place into it

But is he making a comparison? Without knowing the exact wording of the questions he was asked and where the came in the interview I don't think you can say that with any sort of certainty.

 

[Krypto]

But is he making a comparison? Without knowing the exact wording of the questions he was asked and where the came in the interview I don't think you can say that with any sort of certainty.

My first post was the extract where his direct answer was "I can't even make the T20 side" in conversation about Brevis making the team or his chances.

 

[Dendarii]

But what was the other side of the conversation? We don't know the exact context of Bavuma's words because the article uses selected quotes that were chosen to fit the overall narrative.

 

[Krypto]

But what was the other side of the conversation? We don't know the exact context of Bavuma's words because the article uses selected quotes that were chosen to fit the overall narrative.

I'm not sure how much that matters as it's difficult to understand how his inclusion matters unless he is above Brevis for a similar spot etc.It is precieved as dismissive of a young talent. However just hoping most is right and it isn't how it comes a cross and they mend this in the locker rooms as it doesn't feel or represent well when a captain does things like this in public domains. It remains to be seen how the selection occurs and that will also give further indication on this.

 

[Socerer 01]

lmao even Brevis wouldn’t have given a **** about this let alone Stubbs or Coetzee both of whom are totally unrelated