*Official* World Test Championship Final at The Oval – June 7–11, 2023

[Gob]

Now that this Test is in the bag and Australia are WTC champions...

Are Australia going to pick Starc in their Ashes XI? Because it feels like that's exactly what England will want them to do, and what they shouldn't do.

Was thinking the same thing but Cummins/Hazewood/Boland/Nesser are same same

Plus rough for Lyon

 

[trundler]

Was thinking the same thing but Cummins/Hazewood/Boland/Nesser are same same

Plus rough for Lyon

That's a decent variety of pace, trajectories and angles though. Neser and Cummins aren't especially similar.

 

[Gob]

That's a decent variety of pace, trajectories and angles though. Neser and Cummins aren't especially similar.

They are same same when compared to Starc though. If the sloggers in the England line up starts to swipe across the line, it would be easier to line up Cummins/Hazewood/Boland/Nesser

 

[trundler]

They are same same when compared to Starc though. If the sloggers in the England line up starts to swipe across the line, it would be easier to line up Cummins/Hazewood/Boland/Nesser

Starc's LO chops could come in handy for sure if they produce roads but that's unlikely.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Starc is a liability in Tests. Like a leaking tap that gushes runs and releases pressure

Needs to be

DROPPED
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Seriously though there is no way he should be playing ahed of Neser here

 

[Starfighter]

This pitch is a throwback the nineties Oval pitches. Quite a disadvantage to India compared to what's been the normal Oval pitch over the past few years which IMO were about as neutral for these two sides as you could get.

 

[TheJediBrah]

This pitch is a throwback the nineties Oval pitches. Quite a disadvantage to India compared to what's been the normal Oval pitch over the past few years which IMO were about as neutral for these two sides as you could get.

Yeah if there's a 2 spinner pitch in England it's usually the Oval

Could be that they don't usually play Tests here this early in the season so the pitch is a bit underdone

 

[Burgey]

Good day for our blokes. Pretty obvious the bowlers were short of a gallop - not as disciplined as usual, but a good first up hit out after a long break from the red ball game. Match could have been all but done had Cummins not had his uncharacteristic no ball issues and the Rahane lbw stood.

Still, well in front and a couple of decent days to start the most likely undefeated tour

 

[Gob]

Starc is a liability in Tests. Like a leaking tap that gushes runs and releases pressure

Needs to be

DROPPED
R
O
P
P
E
D

Seriously though there is no way he should be playing ahed of Neser here

What about the rough for Nathan though

Nathan needs rough to be penetrative

 

[morgieb]

I think if the pitches play like they did in the first half of the English summer last year then Starc probably should still play. Otherwise the Australian attack might be too easy to smash.

If they play like they normally do though? C’ya ****.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think if the pitches play like they did in the first half of the English summer last year then Starc probably should still play. Otherwise the Australian attack might be too easy to smash.

If they play like they normally do though? C’ya ****.

I'm happy for a horses-for-courses approach. Starc is invaluable on drier, more abrasive surfaces but is a leaky pressure valve on more "traditional" English pitches.

As far as rough for Lyon goes that's always been overblown. Most right-armers bowl around the wicket to lefties these days anyway and with England likely playing an offie too it helps them just as much as Lyon. I just don't think it's a relevant factor

 

[the big bambino]

Now that this Test is in the bag and Australia are WTC champions...

Are Australia going to pick Starc in their Ashes XI? Because it feels like that's exactly what England will want them to do, and what they shouldn't do.

Starc is rubbish v India. I'd still pick him first up for the Ashes.

 

[silentstriker]

Getting stomped on pretty hard here. Bumrah, Pant and Ashwin really being missed. One of those by choice. Really thought india would compete for the first innings and then maybe fall apart in the second without a second spin option but this is looking like a big hiding.

 

[Burgey]

I think if the pitches play like they did in the first half of the English summer last year then Starc probably should still play. Otherwise the Australian attack might be too easy to smash.

If they play like they normally do though? C’ya ****.

I'd see how he does throughout this test first, given none of the bowlers looked exactly at their best given the long lay off, and he'll probably get the first test of the Ashes anyway. If it swings he's a real asset, and he has to pitch it up to see if it's swinging. if it doesn't swing that means he'll get some tap til he dials his length back. That's the price you buy him at. He'll be bowling to Crawley, Duckett and Pope ffs. He could bowl a lot worse than he did last night and still have three for nothing.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah I think as a general rule people make too much of the variety left arm quicks bring, but when Green exists as insurance I think it's worth picking Starc at least to start the series. Even putting aside his left-handedness he has a different MO to the other bowlers.

 

[GotSpin]

Getting stomped on pretty hard here. Bumrah, Pant and Ashwin really being missed. One of those by choice. Really thought india would compete for the first innings and then maybe fall apart in the second without a second spin option but this is looking like a big hiding.

I hate to say it but I don’t think you can include Pant in that group anymore. Surely he won’t be back playing for a very long time

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'd see how he does throughout this test first, given none of the bowlers looked exactly at their best given the long lay off, and he'll probably get the first test of the Ashes anyway. If it swings he's a real asset, and he has to pitch it up to see if it's swinging. if it doesn't swing that means he'll get some tap til he dials his length back. That's the price you buy him at. He'll be bowling to Crawley, Duckett and Pope ffs. He could bowl a lot worse than he did last night and still have three for nothing.

Has Starc ever swung a red ball in England

 

[Prince EWS]

I hate to say it but I don’t think you can include Pant in that group anymore. Surely he won’t be back playing for a very long time

I'm not sure Bumrah will really be a thing moving forward in Tests either, but those two definitely contributed heavily to India actually getting to the final so fair enough to bring up in the context of this Test.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Shows how insane bradman was, NGL. We think smith having 7 in 31 innings is insane, but bradman had 4 more hundreds in fewer innings.

And to put this into context, the link below shows all visiting batsman from other countries in terms of most Test 100s in England. As we know, England is one of the toughest countries to get a Test Century because of the green decks and the duke ball. It's a pretty good list. Who's on top of this list?....Yep you betcha'......you know who it is

Test Cricket - Most Hundreds in Selected Country by Away Players

Test Cricket - Most Hundreds in Selected Country by Away Players

www.howstat.com

 

[Son Of Coco]

Has Starc ever swung a red ball in England

A few last night shaped.in a little early.