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Fuller Pilch
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That's true. He's easily the best fielder of those mentioned (Jadeja 2nd) and probably the best 1st class batsman and most economical ODI bowler.
Fuller Pilch
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You didn't produce Ben Stokes. That's like Kiwis saying we produced Colin De Grandhomme.
Fuller Pilch
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Meanwhile the more civilised and educated Australasians to the south have had R Hadlee, C Cairns, Vettori, Oram, De Grandhomme, and now future ATG Michael Bracewell which is far more impressive than the Poms. It the Saffas who win it though with Kallis, S Pollock, and MacMillan. India is also more impressive than England with Kapil and the 2 Ravis.
Adders
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He moved to the UK aged 12 mate.......thanks for your input to that point though.
Where as Colin appeared to have left Zimbabwe aged 20 having already represented them on the international stage.......so it's not realy similar is it?
RossTaylorsBox
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All your skills are developed before puberty.
12 years living as a Kiwi, he's basically fully developed since his parents were only temporary in England
Wasn't he also voted Kiwi of the year a little while back?
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Fuller Pilch
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In which countries were they "produced" (born and bred)? NZ and Zimbabwe.
Stokes is a proud England representative and De Grandhomme was a proud NZ representative, but nonetheless NZ produced Stokes and Zimbabwe produced De Grandhomme. Pretty simple really.
Adders
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Why don't we have 12 year olds playing test cricket then?
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So just Hadlee and a bunch of nobodies to make up the numbers, then. Much like NZ sides during Hadlee's career.
I suppose you then don't claim Jofra Archer as English having moved to England to play cricket at 20...or is he English because his Mum "shagged" an Englishman
Adders
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No.....thats my point. Read what I said......there is no argument that Joffra was produced and developed as a cricketer in the West Indies. What are you arguing against?
Sorry I live in Asia with fast internet and visiting Australia now where my mobile internet is so slow I already changed my post long time before you posted.
I'm saying Jofra with an English dad bringing him up is English. Stokes with 2 Kiwi parents bringing him up, who just happened to work in England a few years, is still Kiwi as parents went back to NZ after job contract finished, he just decided to stay, maybe he liked the pub scene ?
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Molehill
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So Labuschagne and Neser are S African, Renshaw English and Khawaja Pakistani?
If that's what floats your boat, reality says who really cares
Molehill
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Not me, but just checking for those who seem to be having a hissy fit over Stokes' birthplace and parentage.
Not an issue, he's a Kiwi
Fuller Pilch
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Which allrounders have Pakistan had since Imran? Afridi, Razzaq, Azhar Mahmoud, and M Hafeez? 3 out of 4 were fine white ball players, but none did that much in tests.