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Official - Road to Ashes 2023
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TheJediBrah
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Settle down
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
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He comes from Wirr'all.
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I'm going to be so active in here you will take this back
Adders
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You'll disappear back down your hole by the 2nd or 3rd test mate.
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Xi by xi side by side comparison
First test
1. Warner v Crawley - Crawley slightly - both average.
2. Duckett v Khawaja - Duckett slightly in these conditions
3. Labuschagne v Pope - marnus here
4. Smith v root. - edge to smith
5. Head v brook - brook for sure, head average in seaming conditions
6. Green v stokes - green, stokes can't bowl much
7 Carey v Bairstow - no contest here, Bairstow easily. I don't rate Carey overseas conditions
8. Anderson v Cummins - Cummins as Anderson has fitness issue
9. Robinson v neser - tie, both are great on seaming decks
10. Lyon v leach - Lyon but England doesn't spin much
11 - Broad v Boland - broad in these conditions
Overall - England should win the series based on their better batting line-up for these conditions. But it should be close given Australia's bowling strength and fitness will be a key issue. Anderson and broad are old.
First test
1. Warner v Crawley - Crawley slightly - both average.
2. Duckett v Khawaja - Duckett slightly in these conditions
3. Labuschagne v Pope - marnus here
4. Smith v root. - edge to smith
5. Head v brook - brook for sure, head average in seaming conditions
6. Green v stokes - green, stokes can't bowl much
7 Carey v Bairstow - no contest here, Bairstow easily. I don't rate Carey overseas conditions
8. Anderson v Cummins - Cummins as Anderson has fitness issue
9. Robinson v neser - tie, both are great on seaming decks
10. Lyon v leach - Lyon but England doesn't spin much
11 - Broad v Boland - broad in these conditions
Overall - England should win the series based on their better batting line-up for these conditions. But it should be close given Australia's bowling strength and fitness will be a key issue. Anderson and broad are old.
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Neser isn't even in the squad. He'll come into calculations anyway but listing him as part of the first eleven is a bit much.
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Ok Robbo in these conditions due to proven track record. But in this live series it might be a tie in terms of ability. Robbo is tall and generates a lot of seam movement- he will be the key for England given he is young and not 40 year olds(anderson, broad)
Hazlewood is reportedly struggling and Neser is the only like for like in the extended squad. Bowls wicket to wicket and seams the ball.
Starc and boland is a toss up for the 4th seam up spot.
Overall the batting is more important and England have the vastly superior batting lineup- they got most of the bases covered, if they manage to drop Crawley for someone else. Bairstow, Root and Brook are English ATG material - right up there with past ATG's Cook , Strauss and Pietersen. Australian batters are all at sea vs seam in english conditions- bar smith and labuschagne. Carey looks average and not patient enough against quality attacks.
Prince EWS
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Boland is much more similar to Haze than Neser is.
Not sure why Neser would leapfrog Starc before the series even starts when he wasn't in the squad to begin with. I mean I wouldn't hate it at all, I just don't think it's at all likely.
Nintendo
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Let's just take a look at the respective lineups before saying one batting lineup is better, right?
Khawaja>Ducket, Don't need to explain this, LOL
Warner>Crawley Warner averages 27 opening in england, crawley averages 23 opening in england, warner is a far better player overall
Marnus>Pope Don't think this is a serious debate either
Smith=Root. You can probably make an argument for either at the moment and i'de believe you. Smith is better on career numbers, and since the start of the last ashes in england is averaging 56 compared to root's 52. But if you go after the 2019 ashes (which I think is fairier, given that smith clearly got worked out after that at home vs NZ and struggled a bit more) root averages 55 compared to 46 for smith.
Brook>Head I could see an argument being made for head but he doesn't have the away runs to validate this. Neither have played in typical english conditions since hitting their straps in test cricket so not sure how to do this, gonna give it to brook for generosities sake.
Green>Stokes. Stokes has the ability to play more impactful innings but green has a much better domestic FC batting record in a harder comp, and since green's debut green averages 37.7, Stokes averages 30.5.
Bairstow>Carey No real debate here.
Both tails are dogshit unless england play woakes or curran at 8, which I don't see them doing in the 1st test.
Australia are clearly better, maybe a bit closer if you put root ahead of smith which I could see. This lineup is also being a bit generous given that england may play woakes at 7 if stokes can't bowl, so think that evens out the root/smith factor.
Did he face any test level pacers in that stretch?