Michael Neser

[trundler]

Broad and Anderson are both pretty soft. Front runners. Never would have made it as Australian cricketers. Though Anderson has gotten better in recent years.

Clearly both wouldn't have made it as Shield cricketers 20 years ago. It was a much higher standard than tests, after all.

 

[Molehill]

Yeah I agree, Stuart Broad just likes to run his mouth from time to time. He certainly isn't the only cricketer to do so

But for molehill to try and claim Broad's comments about 2017/18 carry any more weight than any of his other usual ramblings is just delusional. Just clutching at straws trying to find anything to cling on to becauae he can't accept his beloved England were just crap for most of that series

I'm fully aware we were crap and that no levels of ball tampering one way or another would've changed the result. We've been awful in Australia since 2011 for a combination of factors: infighting, overthinking strategy, ridiculous selections and generally not being good enough.

Maybe it's an English thing, but most of us can tell when Broad is being tongue in cheek and when he's being vaguely serious. His comments about the sandpaper were clearly suggesting that he doubted it was the fist time they tried it.

As I've said before, I suspect any book from Warner to be quite illuminating....which isn't something you'd normally say about him.

 

[Qlder]

Meanwhile Neser just took 2 wkts in 3 balls vs Worcs (has 2-11)

Edit: make that 3-11

 

[Daemon]

I think there’s been a misunderstanding here - No Ashes series should be void because both teams are full of dirty cheats

 

[Molehill]

Meanwhile Neser just took 2 wkts in 3 balls vs Worcs (has 2-11)

Edit: make that 3-11

Worcs 38-6 now.

A good morning to bowl, the much maligned Anderson with 2-5 from 8 overs elsewhere.

 

[the big bambino]

I literally kicked it off with the Stuart Broad line. No one is trying to void a series, but it was amusing to see how bitter some clearly still are about 2005. If you're unaware of Broad's comment regarding Sandpaper then as @TheJediBrah says, 'educate yourself'.

Your moniker seems to be very appropriate.

Well he didn't say that at all ... Look you made a claim at least stand by it or say fair cop when it's wrong. No need to bet your self respect by backsliding and equivocating like you have.

 

[_Ed_]

4-21 now for Neser.

 

[Molehill]

Well he didn't say that at all ... Look you made a claim at least stand by it or say fair cop when it's wrong. No need to bet your self respect by backsliding and equivocating like you have.

Broad has made two comments referred to here. One, the last series should be voided due to Covid (clearly a joke). Two, that he couldn't understand why the Aussie bowlers needed to use sandpaper in SA when they weren't exactly struggling to find movement in the preceding Ashes Series. That comment clearly has a bit of thought behind it and I suspect he chose his words rather more carefully (and cleverly).

Much like Bracken sensed something wasn't right in 2005, is it beyond the realms of possibility that Broad sensed the same in 2018?

Unlike you from 2005, I'm not bitter about the last 2 series in Oz, the best team won. Maybe it's you who needs to stop 'mollycoddling their butthurt'!

 

[Tom Flint]

They didn't rub the Murray mints on the ball

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Maybe it's an English thing, but most of us can tell when Broad is being tongue in cheek and when he's being vaguely serious. His comments about the sandpaper were clearly suggesting that he doubted it was the fist time they tried it.

Absolute horseshit, to try and claim that these comments from Broad are any more authoratitive than his usual stuff is absurd on the face of it, if a cricketer has a history of giving it large that is more than ample reason to immediately be doubtful of anything else they say.

The fact at you have spent so much time bleating about all the supposed movement that you claim was going on in 17/18 frankly suggests you either didn't watch the series at all or (far more likely) are just making crap up, inventing any excuse under the sun while convenienty forgetting everything that doesn't fit in to your one eyed pro England narrative. Movement off the straight (excluding the crack ball in Perth, which doesn't count for obvious reasons) really was not a prominent feature of that series for either side, stating otherwise is being completely divorced from reality

I'm sure you will chime back again with restating your earlier garbage. Go ahead, be my guest. All that would prove is how precious and sensitive you really are

 

[Burgey]

Very good question. Answer is pretty simple. They're morons

If Tresco hadn't spilled a pocketful of wrappers during a game murray mints might have stayed a secret, or at most been a rumour

Nah I was all over the Murray Mints fiasco like a fat kid on a Krispy Kreme from the get go. Everyone knew they were cheating. It's the only way that England side stood a chance against that Australian outfit. Player for player Enlgand didn't even belong on the same park as them, as was amply demonstrated 18 months later.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Nah I was all over the Murray Mints fiasco like a fat kid on a Krispy Kreme from the get go. Everyone knew they were cheating. It's the only way that England side stood a chance against hat Australian outfit. Player for player Enlgand didn't even belong on the same park as them, as was amply demonstrated 18 months later.

I was young at the time but yeah I do recall this. A lot of the commentary was sort of mystified "how is the ball swinging this much, reversing this early" etc. I can imagine that behind the official facade it would have been pretty obvious that they were cheating

 

[Daemon]

Damn, so much sensitivity on display in this thread. Don’t worry molehill they’re usually like this.

 

[Shady Slim]

ngl i can be as parochial as anyone when it comes to relentlessly slagging off poms but my form of godwin's law is that whenever someone uses the word "butthurt" then they are very much the one who is mad

molehill is doing a great job at a pre-ashes windup and should be commended - it's rare to see this sort of fight from a brit against the aussies?

 

[Burgey]

Especially on the field.

 

[Son Of Coco]

ngl i can be as parochial as anyone when it comes to relentlessly slagging off poms but my form of godwin's law is that whenever someone uses the word "butthurt" then they are very much the one who is mad

molehill is doing a great job at a pre-ashes windup and should be commended - it's rare to see this sort of fight from a brit against the aussies?

Molehill has eaten a whole bag of Murray mints and come out swinging.

 

[TheJediBrah]

My favourite part of this thread is that because it's titled for an Australian cricketer the Pom posters are ignoring it causing a gloriously brutal Aussie assault on the lone gunman Molehill

 

[the big bambino]

Broad has made two comments referred to here. One, the last series should be voided due to Covid (clearly a joke). Two, that he couldn't understand why the Aussie bowlers needed to use sandpaper in SA when they weren't exactly struggling to find movement in the preceding Ashes Series. That comment clearly has a bit of thought behind it and I suspect he chose his words rather more carefully (and cleverly).

Much like Bracken sensed something wasn't right in 2005, is it beyond the realms of possibility that Broad sensed the same in 2018?

Unlike you from 2005, I'm not bitter about the last 2 series in Oz, the best team won. Maybe it's you who needs to stop 'mollycoddling their butthurt'!

I've never complained about 05. Even after Tresco's admission. It was a great series. I'm fine with Broad's comments too. But until he proves them they remain, like Trump's attitude toward the 2020 elections just speculation. If someone 'fesses, like Tresco, and admits there was tampering then I would treat it the same way. I'd still take the series just as I accept 2005. My quibble is with fans who are more upset with the speculation around 17/18 but ok with Tresco's admissions on 2005.

I don't think there was tampering by sandpaper in 17/18. If there was it would have been done so expertly as to escape all detection. It would be hard to believe after such deceptive artfulness they would have descended to such a farcical level of clumsiness in SA.

 

[Line and Length]

I may live Down Under and support Oz vs opposition (apart from England) but I support @Molehill. He's not fighting a lone battle.

 

[the big bambino]

I may live Down Under and support Oz vs opposition (apart from England) but I support @Molehill. He's not fighting a lone battle.

For what reason though? What is it that he's said you could support?