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and I thought Stokes was meant to be the likeable one
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Official - Road to Ashes 2023
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Starfighter
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Trouble is I don't think they're going to lose. We couldn't beat them last time when they generally horrible.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
It's the least surprising thing tbh
andruid
Cricketer Of The Year
Stranger things have happened
Not enough that his downfall would not be hilariousand I thought Stokes was meant to be the likeable one
Molehill
International Captain
One of the reasons for my potentially mis-placed confidence. This England team is so much better than 2019 on so many levels. Even Zak Crawley represents an improvement on Jason Roy.
Mate if you don't know that in the North of England the atmospheric conditions impact the amount of seam movement then there's nothing I can say to help you.
As someone who has lived, played and watched cricket in the North of England all my life, I must have had it wrong all these years along with millions of others.
Blenkinsop
U19 Vice-Captain
The only English grounds that have had hard, fast pitches in recent years have been Old Trafford and sometimes the Oval. Is it even possible to prepare a pitch like that at Lords or Headingley? Either way I think Stokes is trying his hand at 4D chess here.
Hahaha I don't think this is true at all.
It's a good point someone made, Australia hasn't won in England since 2001 despite quite often looking better on paper. So that's got to be factored in. Think it's a master stroke, too (and I presume done on purpose) that the series isn't starting at Lord's, where England have a pretty average record.
Adders
Cricketer Of The Year
Pretty sure we've done this since 2009 so it's not new. I'd be happy if they ditched the Lords test altogether tbh (not that that will ever happen)
Son Of Coco
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It's unsurprising to see England resort to pitch doctoring.
Burgey
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Historically the second Ashes test was always at Lord's. Before nuffy grounds like Southampton, Cardiff and Durham became a thing, the standard sort of six test program was
Trent Bridge
Lord's
Headingley
England's Brisbane
Old Trafford
The Oval
Then when they initially went back to 5 tests it seemed like OT missed out at times and it was more
England's Brisbane
Lord's
Trent Bridge
Headingley
The Oval
This series I gather Nottingham misses out and OT is in.
Fair enough. 7 England wins to 16 Australian ones there in Ashes doesn't look good, especially when you compare it to 16 England wins v 6 Australian ones at The Oval.
The fact England's record at the SCG is OK too (23 losses v 22 wins, as compared with 13 v 4 Gabba, 19 v 9 Adelaide and 27 v 19 MCG makes me think it's partly a dead rubber thing. That might be harsh.
Not as much as the actual surface, come on ffs. The ball is literally changing directions after hitting the ground, how is that more the work of atmospheric conditions? It's indirect at best. It's like saying spin is down to atmospheric conditions.
ataraxia
International Coach
Genuinely interested – how does this occur?
TheJediBrah
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We were pretty bad too tbf. We played Siddle, and our middle-order other than Smith looks a lot more reliable this time
Nintendo
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I don't know if i'de back green to do much more than wade did last time around, but head is definitely much better then he did in 19 and carey looks a much better test bat then paine when facing pace.
Burgey
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Haha yeah. Also add that even though Warner has completely lost it, he really can't do any worse than he did last time anyway.
No idea mate to be honest but it definitely does happen.
Molehill
International Captain
In 2019, numbers 4,5,6,7 essentially averaged about 200 runs per innings. Now admittedly, that was largely due to Smith being ridiculous. But given they never faced a single ball from Anderson in that series, is it wrong to think they'll struggle to match that this time around?