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Which team is currently the best, in 2023?

Test format ofc: top team?


  • Total voters
    58
  • Poll closed .

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
I don’t have high hopes from Australia touring England. Reckon they will get demolished.

Main reason is Smith’s decline.
How is smith in decline? He's had one bad series in india, before that he averaged 70 odd over a 10 match stretch with 3 hundreds. If he fails in england and the WTC I have no issues saying he's declining, but right now it's a pretty stupid call IMO.
 

anil1405

International Captain
Well until more teams do it consistently it's damn near impossible to win even a test in India. Only 2 teams have done so, so far in the last tens years. And once Pant and Bumrah come back, I have high hopes the team will be fine again.
Bumrah is not coming back, on a consistent test player basis i.e., unless he modifies his action and in which case he will most likely lose his fizz. Even if he is fit I believe he will be used sparingly in tests and primarily be selected abroad.
 

Chrish

International Debutant
How is smith in decline? He's had one bad series in india, before that he averaged 70 odd over a 10 match stretch with 3 hundreds. If he fails in england and the WTC I have no issues saying he's declining, but right now it's a pretty stupid call IMO.
Numbers aside, he is grinding out, rather than dominating. He is scoring at much lower rate than before.

Happy to be proven wrong but I think his best is well past him. Also, his average shot up after scoring unbeaten double hundred against WI, didn’t it?
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Numbers aside, he is grinding out, rather than dominating. He is scoring at much lower rate than before.

Happy to be proven wrong but I think his best is well past him. Also, his average shot up after scoring unbeaten double hundred against WI, didn’t it?
Mate did you watch the Aussie home summer? He dominated from ball one in both of his 100's that season. Anyone who watched those knocks knew he was in ominous touch from ball one. Same thing for the BBL afterwards and the whiteball stuff vs england before that.
 

Chrish

International Debutant
Mate did you watch the Aussie home summer? He dominated from ball one in both of his 100's that season. Anyone who watched those knocks knew he was in ominous touch from ball one. Same thing for the BBL afterwards and the whiteball stuff vs england before that.
Fair enough. Speaking of batting, why does Labuschagne average 46 in FC? That’s like 10 point difference compared to his test average.

Was he a late bloomer who turned things around and his shield record doesn’t do him justice?
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Fair enough. Speaking of batting, why does Labuschagne average 46 in FC? That’s like 10 point difference compared to his test average.

Was he a late bloomer who turned things around and his shield record doesn’t do him justice?
He averaged 30 odd before his test debut haha. If you haven't already i'de look into his rise from barely making the shield team to best test batter in the world, cricket monthly did a wonderful piece on it a while back. TLDR is that he got a test debut, averaged 30 for a few games, got picked in county due to that, made some technical changes while at glamorgan (county team) and averaged 70 odd with 4 or 5 hundreds in that county stint and hasn't looked back since. It's especially interesting because he came into test cricket after the pace playing pandemic started around 2018 and has dominated in that time.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah his FC average would be much lower if we exclude his test career.
Even without his test career it's risen from 30 odd to low 40's, and he's not had a bad shield season and consistently performed in county in that time. He's just become a much better player allround.
 

ma1978

International Debutant
All that means is that Australia has lost / lost and England has drawn / lost to a team that lost to SA 2-0
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Marnus really needs 2 or more 100s in the Ashes.

So far he has 9 100s in 22 tests in Australia, and 1 100 in 15 tests outside Australia.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Marnus really needs 2 or more 100s in the Ashes.

So far he has 9 100s in 22 tests in Australia, and 1 100 in 15 tests outside Australia.
Ehh, hundreds aren't everything, this is a hard era for batting in general and marnus has played in some brutal batting series in that time away (2019 ashes, this border gavaskar, arguably 2023 in SL). If you cut out the first few matches of his career when he was still pre-peak he's made 1 hundred in 13 tests AWAY and averaged 43.5-44 with a highscore of 104. It wouldn't hurt if he kicked on a bit and converted his starts, but i'de argue that given the hit and miss nature of some of our other players away in that time (Uzzie) and the fact that we've functionally had 0 or 1 openers in that time having somoene in the top order consistently get starts and soak up balls while kicking on to 40-80 a good chunk of the time is massive.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I think we can all agree we should table this discussion until after the WTC final and the Ashes because by then it should be clearer.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Ehh, hundreds aren't everything, this is a hard era for batting in general and marnus has played in some brutal batting series in that time away (2019 ashes, this border gavaskar, arguably 2023 in SL). If you cut out the first few matches of his career when he was still pre-peak he's made 1 hundred in 13 tests AWAY and averaged 43.5-44 with a highscore of 104. It wouldn't hurt if he kicked on a bit and converted his starts, but i'de argue that given the hit and miss nature of some of our other players away in that time (Uzzie) and the fact that we've functionally had 0 or 1 openers in that time having somoene in the top order consistently get starts and soak up balls while kicking on to 40-80 a good chunk of the time is massive.
This is all true but it's the argument in defence of a solid journeyman Test batsman averaging in the mid-40s. Not a guy averaging 55-60 and batting 3 for Australia. Starts are all well and good but that's not his job; he needs to be building big scores and converting these starts away from home; he shouldn't be making a platform, he should be capitalising on it. It's what separates the likes of Smith from him regardless of career average.
 

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