*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread

[Shri]

Have you ever said "those people"?

i have. when abusing home owner's association members to neighbours while stirring the pot because some asshole commented on my bike. did not expect to win an election before i resigned a few weeks later after making sure that they got the message. talk ****, have your plans ruined

 

[Shri]

Rafiq can’t remember the day/opponent/result or type of game but can clearly remember the context and intent of Vaughan’s words and chose to suppress his feelings for a decade



I am no fan of Vaughan at all but good on him for defending himself against this crap

hi mate any chance you have the judge's number involved in the case

 

[Shri]

Maybe he could do some grass roots coaching in asian communities or something, in the UK or overseas.

good idea the kids won't understand his racist ramblings

 

[Brook's side]

good idea the kids won't understand his racist ramblings

"Right then, you all got your bats and balls? so you lot go and stand over there. you lot, you stand over there"

 

[Brook's side]

Regardless of Vaughan, let's hope that cultures in UK cricket can learn their lessons from all of this and improve and reform going forward, and that everyone can get the opportunity to enjoy the game and be comfortable in the game as it should be. ?

 

[honestbharani]

I don't know anything about this story but this isn't hard to believe at all. People remember all kinds of specific **** without recalling what was going on in the background

Yeah any person is more likely to recall the details around them being insulted than what was happening around them at that time. Its pretty basic social understanding, no?

 

[Burgey]

But I see no reason why he can't broadcast in Aus, SA, Ind even Pakistan. I think he should accept that and go down that route if he wants to continue to make a career from the game.

In all honesty, the way Aus commercial media works, if Vaughan had worn a Klan mask on air, he’d still get a gig with one of them. There’s a cavalcade of people who’ve been sacked from their northern hemisphere gigs who end up working down here

 

[andruid]

One wold hope Joe Root will take the stand at this hearing, because he certainly still has questions to answer.

He is playing Johnny Tight lips

Only cricket bats, or are other types allowed too (baseball, fruit etc.)?

He should given out for not being given in.

 

[zaremba]

Personally I think it's got all out of proportion. If anything, the bigger issue with Vaughan should be the terrorist tweet.

Possibly so. But he was no longer a player by the stage he made that tweet - it was much more recent - so he was no longer subject to the ECB's jurisdiction. But he was a professional player at the time of the alleged "too many of you lot" comment, and for that reason it's within the ECB's power to investigate, and to discipline him for it.

 

[social]

Wisden summary

Explained: ECB Yorkshire racism hearings – everything you need to know

The Cricket Discipline Commission (CDC) hearings into racism charges levelled by the ECB against Yorkshire CCC and seven individuals are set to continue this week – here’s all you need to know about what’s happened so far.

wisden.com

 

[Line and Length]

Wisden summary

Explained: ECB Yorkshire racism hearings – everything you need to know

The Cricket Discipline Commission (CDC) hearings into racism charges levelled by the ECB against Yorkshire CCC and seven individuals are set to continue this week – here’s all you need to know about what’s happened so far.

wisden.com

An interesting read.

 

[Shri]

 

[_00_deathscar]

If Root is found to have said "those people", what should be the consequences for him?

He should be sent to represent “those people” until the end of his career. He’d slot in nicely at 4 for India

 

[Shri]

would rather never win anything again than have the **** play for us

 

[tony p]

So explain to me why Rana Naved-ul-Hasan didn't give evidence.?
Allegedly he heard what allegedly was said by Vaughan, but didn't back up Rafiq's claims by being in court.
If it was that bad, you would think he would have least given "Zoom" evidence.
Makes you wonder if what was said, if anything was said, was actually even racist.
Ajmal Shahzad doesn't recall any comments, Naved didn't think it important enough to give evidence, Rashid's evidence was flimsy at best.
Just the one person then, it's a he said/he said from 14 years ago.

 

[Burgey]

Every case is different and needs to be decided on its own facts.

But in my experience very few people just point blank make allegations up. They tend to do so even less frequently against people like national cricket captains or media people, because apart from everything else, it just creates a massive **** show for them and often makes things a whole lot worse.

You always have to prove your allegation, as you should, but the idea people (other than the police of course) just go around all the time making stuff up is pretty laughable tbh.

 

[zaremba]

So explain to me why Rana Naved-ul-Hasan didn't give evidence.?
Allegedly he heard what allegedly was said by Vaughan, but didn't back up Rafiq's claims by being in court.
If it was that bad, you would think he would have least given "Zoom" evidence.
Makes you wonder if what was said, if anything was said, was actually even racist.
Ajmal Shahzad doesn't recall any comments, Naved didn't think it important enough to give evidence, Rashid's evidence was flimsy at best.
Just the one person then, it's a he said/he said from 14 years ago.

You refer to what Ajmal Shahzad recalled or didn't recall, but he didn't turn up to give evidence any more than Rana did.

As for "he said/he said" - well Azeem's account has been proved correct with monotonous consistency... including by Yorkshire's admissions of guilt, Ballance's admission of guilt, Hoggard's admissions about things being said, and (frankly) by the other defendants all choosing to pull out and avoid facing the music. And Rashid's account was hardly flimsy: he was categorical and clear that he heard the comment, and it wasn't suggested on Vaughan's behalf that he was lying.

 

[zaremba]

Very impressive and interesting interview.

 

[social]

Case dismissed

 

[Spark]

Vaughan gets off but Matthew Hoggard, Andrew Gale, Tim Bresnan, Richard Pyrah and John Blain have all had charges upheld at least so far