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Which alphabet has the best cricketers ? Create an XI
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Prince EWS
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Yeah Benaud in for Bedi or Bumrah would balance that side out really well. Botham-Boucher-Bedser at a 6-8 seems a bit weak.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, I reckon this is spot on. Though I'd have Dougie or Frank Woolley at 12th man. But such a brilliant and well-balanced side that.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Lack of Wayne Phillips a travesty.
On a serious note, is the consensus that Pant has already done enough to get in this side ahead of Prior? I suppose it must be, given that a lot of All Time India XIs now have Pant ahead of Dhoni.
ataraxia
International Coach
He hasn't imo
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
1 Bruce Mitchell
2 Hanif Mohammad
3 Peter May
4 Javed Miandad
5 Stan McCabe
6 Keith Miller
7 Brendon McCullum
8 Malcolm Marshall
9 Morne Morkel
10 Mutttiah Muralitharan
11 Glenn McGrath
Others: Mankad, Macartney, McMillan, McCool, Mathews, Mackay, Mahmood, McKenzie, Mushtaq Mohommad, Martindale, Marsh, Manjrekar
Thought about Mushtaq Mohammad or Mankad in for Morkel - would pull the trigger on that depending on the conditions.
2 Hanif Mohammad
3 Peter May
4 Javed Miandad
5 Stan McCabe
6 Keith Miller
7 Brendon McCullum
8 Malcolm Marshall
9 Morne Morkel
10 Mutttiah Muralitharan
11 Glenn McGrath
Others: Mankad, Macartney, McMillan, McCool, Mathews, Mackay, Mahmood, McKenzie, Mushtaq Mohommad, Martindale, Marsh, Manjrekar
Thought about Mushtaq Mohammad or Mankad in for Morkel - would pull the trigger on that depending on the conditions.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
You've got some room to move on those alternatives, because you've included a H and a J player in your XI.
Mitchell or Sean?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I refer a bit to Victor Ian's point:You've got some room to move on those alternatives, because you've included a H and a J player in your XI.
We know Hanif's brothers were also Mohammads because they played with him.
I think the argument is that surnames just aren't used much in some parts of the world, and in the last few couple of generations of globalisation have just been adapted by using the first names of people's fathers/grandfathers/etc. But I will say that's how we got names like "Stevenson" in the western world, and beyond that I'm not sure "what your male ancestor did for a living" is actually any more inherently descriptive.
So they count IMO.
If they don't count I'll roll with this:
1 Bruce Mitchell
2 Vinoo Mankad
3 Charles Macartney
4 Peter May
5 Stan McCabe
6 Keith Miller
7 Angelo Mathews
8 Brendon McCullum
9 Malcolm Marshall
10 Mutttiah Muralitharan
11 Glenn McGrath
Morkel unluckily finding himself dropped for balance reasons just because two other players don't count.
I definitely want to #batdeep if Mankad is opening though, and McGrath/Marshall/Miller/Murali/Mankad is still definitely enough bowling. All the rest bar May in the top 7 were good part-time bowling options too - Macartney probably even a bit better than that.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Rod, lol.
Poor Mitch will just have to settle for being in the Alliterative XI
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, that's a fair argument and TBH I've always thought it strange myself that the brothers Mohammad all belong to different alphabetical teams!I refer a bit to Victor Ian's point:
We know Hanif's brothers were also Mohammads because they played with him.
I think the argument is that surnames just aren't used much in some parts of the world, and in the last few couple of generations of globalisation have just been adapted by using the first names of people's fathers/grandfathers/etc. But I will say that's how we got names like "Stevenson" in the western world, and beyond that I'm not sure "what your male ancestor did for a living" is actually any more inherently descriptive.
So they count IMO.
If they don't count I'll roll with this:
1 Bruce Mitchell
2 Vinoo Mankad
3 Charles Macartney
4 Peter May
5 Stan McCabe
6 Keith Miller
7 Angelo Mathews
8 Brendon McCullum
9 Malcolm Marshall
10 Mutttiah Muralitharan
11 Glenn McGrath
Morkel unluckily finding himself dropped for balance reasons just because two other players don't count.
I definitely want to #batdeep if Mankad is opening though, and McGrath/Marshall/Miller/Murali/Mankad is still definitely enough bowling. All the rest bar May in the top 7 were good part-time bowling options too - Macartney probably even a bit better than that.
For me, I suppose it might be a generational thing but it's something that isn't a matter of opinion - there are lots of cricketing databases and reference books and alphabetical lists, and they all follow that same naming convention. It's never been a question of if you agree or disagree, it is just what it is.
And let's face it, the Z team needs Zaheer Abbas a lot more than the A team does.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Hmmm, does he even make that...?
Gordon Greenidge
Graham Gooch
Richie Richardson
Steve Smith
Colin Cowdrey
Mushtaq Mohammad
Tatenda Taibu
Chris Cairns
Malcolm Marshall
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Morne Morkel
Azhar Ali and Peter Pollock desperately unlucky and they could easily come in for Richardson and Morkel.
I've used the names they were known by (I know that Greenidge and Cowdrey had different first names, and that I could include Jack Russell otherwise).
There's probably a better keeper than Taibu, and there must be some others I'm forgetting but this is off the top of my head after several glasses of Bordeaux so will have to do for now.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Whatever naming convention you use, Mustaq Mohammed is still available. I'd pick him instead of Angelo Mathews for team balance.I refer a bit to Victor Ian's point:
We know Hanif's brothers were also Mohammads because they played with him.
I think the argument is that surnames just aren't used much in some parts of the world, and in the last few couple of generations of globalisation have just been adapted by using the first names of people's fathers/grandfathers/etc. But I will say that's how we got names like "Stevenson" in the western world, and beyond that I'm not sure "what your male ancestor did for a living" is actually any more inherently descriptive.
So they count IMO.
If they don't count I'll roll with this:
1 Bruce Mitchell
2 Vinoo Mankad
3 Charles Macartney
4 Peter May
5 Stan McCabe
6 Keith Miller
7 Angelo Mathews
8 Brendon McCullum
9 Malcolm Marshall
10 Mutttiah Muralitharan
11 Glenn McGrath
Morkel unluckily finding himself dropped for balance reasons just because two other players don't count.
I definitely want to #batdeep if Mankad is opening though, and McGrath/Marshall/Miller/Murali/Mankad is still definitely enough bowling. All the rest bar May in the top 7 were good part-time bowling options too - Macartney probably even a bit better than that.
ataraxia
International Coach
Wouldn't you pick B McMillan? (or C McMillan for that matter)
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Not sure we need the extra bowler with Mankad opening. Whichever allrounder you pick there they're gonna be the sixth best bowler in the team at best, so I'd rather go with the better bat in Mathews.
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Great side, and what a pace attack. But worth bringing in Anil Kumble for balance?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
This makes me realise I totally could've picked Morris in my M team but forgot about him somehow, lol.