If anything it's a lot down to our selections & sometimes brain dead strategies! Structurally the game's probably never been better in India, no one comes close to our depth in 3 formats combined.
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Which team is currently the best, in 2023?
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Sunil1z
International Regular
By structural I meant poor selection .
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
On the bolded part, I already said in my post that I will play the same could would game.
What you say could have happened too. But what I am saying is, that might not have happened as well. Hypotheticals don't always play out like we expect them to. Cricket will be boring otherwise.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Point is, end of NZ's first innings, there wasn't a compelling reason to have them bat again. It would only give them a sniff to get back in the game whereas 200 runs ahead, even a sub-par England score 2nd innings score would be very difficult for NZ to chase.On the bolded part, I already said in my post that I will play the same could would game.
What you say could have happened too. But what I am saying is, that might not have happened as well. Hypotheticals don't always play out like we expect them to. Cricket will be boring otherwise.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Currently it is NZ after that epic win.
srbhkshk
International Captain
I probably said it before but 2018 was the closest series I have seen with such a lopsided final result. India had chances to win in all but one of the test matches (and that one was basically marred by rain leading to different conditions for the two teams) - we just didn't have any batsman stand up other than Kohli.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
NZ could've chased 500 or blocked out for the draw. With the great overhead conditions at the time for seamers and the weather forecast, the follow on was the right decision.
PaulLennon
U19 Cricketer
Having Bhuvi might have flipped a few matches. His loss is very tragic as he is one Indian fast bowler who was decent with the bat.
Lord's 2014, Sydney 2015, Wanderers 2018. Even Cape Town 2018 had a decent partnership with Hardik.
And he was lethal with the ball in helpful conditions - Eng 2014, WI 2016, SA 2018. Eden Gardens vs NZ 2016.
Losing Hardik and Bhuvi both is a great loss to Indian test cricket.
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I am still hopeful Hardik can make a comeback to test cricket.
Socerer 01
International Captain
Hardik was a mirage but Bhuvi was the real deal. Bowling attack of Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami and Ishant/Ashwin with Jadeja at 7 would have been the best in business
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Yes, but the current attack with the same line-up and Siraj alone instead of Bhuvi is slightly better, isn't it?
Socerer 01
International Captain
Siraj in time can be really great, at the moment he seems bit too raw
you’re underrating Bhuvi imo, he was looking to be our best bowler in SA and was also very good with bat. he could have been Jansen level with the bat if not better
PaulLennon
U19 Cricketer
Siraj hasn't hit the highs of Bhuvi.
Bhuvi in that 2016-18 period was devastating, especially on greenish wickets. He averaged 18.5 with the ball.
Siraj, for now seems like Shami and Umesh in that he is a better bowler in Asian conditions than swinging conditions.
Also Bhuvi is a pretty decent bat compared to Siraj who is a complete bunny.
PaulLennon
U19 Cricketer
Tbh even post 2015 Ishant was great. Current Siraj is a downgrade compared to him.
Socerer 01
International Captain
Bhuvi is more than a decent bat now that I have checked stats. he has a fc 100 and 11 50s in fc, averages 27 which is 6 more than Jansen
thats close to bowling all-rounder territory. even his test avg of 22 is very decent
thats close to bowling all-rounder territory. even his test avg of 22 is very decent
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Ishant in his Kohli era was a true worldclass bowler.
Socerer 01
International Captain
he’s hit a rough patch recently after a good start but will bounce back. his potential is much bigger than Ishant or Bhuvi‘s ever was
Socerer 01
International Captain
praise Gillespie for that
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Bhuvi was quite conditions dependant tbh. Needed the ball moving around to provide any penettation, so that average is a little misleading . Siraj has the potential to be a really valuable all conditions bowler.
Bhuvi's batting was hugely undervalued though. He kept making key contributions with bat and ball and we lost many tests in the 2017-2018 years due to a bad tail when he wasn't selected . Very frustrating to watch.