The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[The Sean]

Greenidge
Gooch
V Richards
G Chappell
Lara
Pollock
Gilchrist
Akram
Warne
Marshall
Ambrose

only picked players I’ve watched over the years except for pollock who I’ve seen only on you tube clips. Looking at it now I see my bias towards the great West Indian teams of the 70/80/90 the best squad of players to ever play imo. Gooch was a magnificent player of fast bowling and greenidge was a beast. Imagine if Viv had played 20/20, Chappell a maestro, Lara could hit it anywhere from anywhere and score big, pollock looked impossible to bowl to, Gilchrist even defended with power, Akram in all conditions excelled, warney the master competitor, Marshall my favourite player ever and the finest of bowlers, big Curtly always hitting the top of the bat.

This team would be incredible to watch. May I ask why you've chosen Pollock based on clips but no-one else?

 

[Socerer 01]

Were you on cricket 247 too?

nah it just seemed similar to that SA model but this account seems legit

 

[bagapath]

I will make a team of
2 batsman who could bowl to open the batting
4 batting allrounders to make up the middle order
3 bowling all rounders to lead the attack
2 bowlers who can bat to bring up the tail

Sanath Jayasurya
Bobby Simpson
George Aubrey Faulkner
Jacques Kallis
Sir Gary Sobers
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Sir Ian Botham
Sir Richard Hadlee
Richie Benaud *

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I will make a team of
2 batsman who could bowl to open the batting
4 batting allrounders to make up the middle order
3 bowling all rounders to lead the attack
2 bowlers who can bat to bring up the tail

Sanath Jayasurya
Bobby Simpson
George Aubrey Faulkner
Jacques Kallis
Sir Gary Sobers
Adam Gilchrist *
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Ian Botham
Sir Richard Hadlee
Richie Benaud *

Good team.
Were you deliberately avoiding current players in this side?
Good side, but Barlow instead of Jayasuriya. There are 3 leg spinners too. You might want a other optio .

 

[Michelle Fivefer]

You've possibly been a touch kind on Stephen Fleming not mentioning his name there.

That’s two of my all-time favourite players you’ve mentioned there… ?

Got a shortlist as below.

Stewart/Gayle
Atherton
Ian Bell
Mark Waugh/Hooper
Jayawardene/Saleem Malik
Chanderpaul/Ganguly
Boucher
Vettori
Harbhajan Singh
Ishant Sharma
Ntini

Two of my all-time favourite players in that list. ?

I'd pick Strauss instead Stewart. Stewart was a quality opener who stood up to the Windies quicks, but his average suffered when keeping (and he was a poor keeper). If you want Stewart, pick him instead of Boucher.

I'd also pick Fleming (c) instead of M Waugh. Waugh was probably the 4th best middle order bat of the 90s behind Tendulkar, Lara, and his twin bro. I'd narrowly put Mark ahead of Aravinda for the 90s.

wait a minute.. this account’s style seems familiar..

wait a minute.. this account’s style seems familiar..

Have we met before

wait a minute.. this account’s style seems familiar..

We are not comparing nobodies here. Anyone who has played more than 100 tests is actually a good player. Just picked the worst of those. Any one in your mind better suited than Bell at 3 in that team?

Jonathon Trott. Bell didn’t bat at 3.

 

[bagapath]

I will make a team of
2 batsman who could bowl to open the batting
4 batting allrounders to make up the middle order
3 bowling all rounders to lead the attack
2 bowlers who can bat to bring up the tail

Sanath Jayasurya
Bobby Simpson
George Aubrey Faulkner
Jacques Kallis
Sir Gary Sobers
Adam Gilchrist +
Keith Miller
Imran Khan
Sir Ian Botham
Sir Richard Hadlee
Richie Benaud *

Option 2

Wilfred Rhodes
Vinoo Mankad
Walter Hammond *
Kumar Sangakara +
Shakib Al Hasan
Ben Stokes
Ravinder Jadeja
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Ray Lindwall

 

[CricAddict]

Option 2

Wilfred Rhodes
Vinoo Mankad
Walter Hammond *
Kumar Sangakara +
Shakib Al Hasan
Ben Stokes
Ravinder Jadeja
Kapil Dev
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Ray Lindwall

Just change a few names and you get a lineup full of lefties too. Davidson for Lindwall.

 

[bagapath]

Just change a few names and you get a lineup full of lefties too. Davidson for Lindwall.

hmmm... davo must have been a champion... but no centuries in test cricket... that somehow irks me...

 

[CricketFan90s]

Pakistan XI that can defeat any Team in the World
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Hanif Mohammad
3) Younis Khan
4) Inzamam ul Haq
5) Javed Miandad
6) Imran Khan*
7) Sarfaraz Ahmed+
8) Wasim Akram
9) Saqlain Mushtaq
10) Mushtaq Ahmed
11) Waqar Younis

 

[Starfighter]

Pakistan XI that can defeat any Team in the World

(x) doubt

 

[CricketFan90s]

(x) doubt

Tell me which country XI can beat them ?

 

[Prince EWS]

Tell me which country XI can beat them ?

Haha I actually thought you'd worded your post in a way to make what you said reasonable enough but if this is your comeback question then you're off your rocker.

 

[CricketFan90s]

Haha I actually thought you'd worded your post in a way to make what you said reasonable enough but if this is your comeback question then you're off your rocker.

You don’t know a team which can beat this XI

 

[Daniel CC]

I'm going to post a less-than-conventional ODI XI:

1. Adam Gilchrist
2. AB de Villiers
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Paul Collingwood
5. Andrew Symonds
6. Jonty Rhodes
7. Tillakaratne Dilshan
8. Carl Hooper
9. Roger Harper
10. Heath Streak
11. Brett Lee

Average-looking XI on paper, but you might have noticed that they were all unbelievable in the field.

I firmly believe that this side would save 50-60 more runs in the field than an average ODI side if you factor in unlikely stops, the constant threat of run-outs and taking half-chances. The fact they can slog down to 11 (outfielders are fairly hard to rate) doesn't hurt, despite only having 3 frontline bowlers.

The only worry I have is who to put at backward point.

Replace Gilchrist with Gibbs and have AB take the gloves.

 

[Prince EWS]

You don’t know a team which can beat this XI

Australia and West Indies have comfortably better ATG XIs than that. England, South Africa and India more debatable but those first two are pretty clearly non-negotiable.

When you said "can beat" originally I just thought you meant they wouldn't always lose every game. If you think that's the best national ATG XI you're absolutely nuts.

 

[Starfighter]

And you'd pick Sarfaraz too. Aside from the fact he can't bat when the ball moves off the straight, he can't catch either.

 

[bagapath]

Tell me which country XI can beat them ?

Australia ATG XI is pretty much unbeatable

Hayden
Trumper
Bradman *
G Chappell
S Smith
Miller
Gilchrist +
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilley
McGrath

Even their Second XI is on par with the Pak XI

Morris
Simpson
Ponting
Harvey
Border
S Waugh
Healy +
Benaud *
Lindwall
Davidson
Cummins

 

[bagapath]

You don’t know a team which can beat this XI

The West Indies ATG XI will beat them regularly

Greenidge
Hunte
Richards
Lara
Headley
Sobers *
Dujon +
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

 

[bagapath]

Pakistan XI that can defeat any Team in the World
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Hanif Mohammad
3) Younis Khan
4) Inzamam ul Haq
5) Javed Miandad
6) Imran Khan*
7) Sarfaraz Ahmed+
8) Wasim Akram
9) Saqlain Mushtaq
10) Mushtaq Ahmed
11) Waqar Younis

The SA ATG XI is at par and possibly slightly better

Smith *
Kirsten
Kallis
G Pollock
ABDV
Faulkner
Q de Kock +
S Pollock
Steyn
Tayfield
Donald

 

[bagapath]

The English ATG XI

Hutton *
Hobbs
Hammond
Root
Compton
Botham
Knott +
Laker
Trueman
Underwood
Barnes

is probably their equal too

As a response to your post I would rank the ATG XIs in the following order

Australia
West Indies
South Africa
England - Pakistan
India
New Zealand
Sri Lanka

I even expect the overall stats of these countries to reflect this order more or less.