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*Official* Australia in India 2023

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
India is not as invincible in India like a lot of posters here have mentioned. They could have easily lost the second test if Axar was gone. While Ashwin-Jadeja-Axar have been deadly, they still need the runs to defend and they are required to get those runs too themselves.

With the current Indian top order, every team has a chance to win in India.
 

PaulLennon

U19 Vice-Captain
So this was your issue all along, that India would lose a few more series than Australia? Wow. Now imagine if I threw England in the mix. Hell I'll do it

Eng

W: SL, Pak, RSA, NZ,
L: Ind, Aus, WI
D: Ban
Yes. And it is still inferior to Ind.

And Ind doesn't even play Pak which would likely be an Ind win.

Ind has a superior/comparable record to Pak against every opponent whether home/away. There isn't a single opponent home/away where Pak has done better than India in their last tour. Either they have done worse than Ind (most of the times) or in some cases comparable.
 

PaulLennon

U19 Vice-Captain
India is not as invincible in India like a lot of posters here have mentioned. They could have easily lost the second test if Axar was gone. While Ashwin-Jadeja-Axar have been deadly, they still need the runs to defend and they are required to get those runs too themselves.

With the current Indian top order, every team has a chance to win in India.
No they don't. Just that it will feel close. If the Ind top order was better it would have been like the 2016 NZ series or 2019 SA series or 2017 SL away series. Or the first Bang test or SL test in 2022.

Ashwin-Jadeja-Axar (along with Pant/Iyer/Rohit plus occasional top order support) are enough to make the runs to defend.

They could have easily lost the second test if Axar was gone. - Thing is Axar won't go. Out of the three spinners, one would always make a score. If Axar hadn't, then Jadeja/Ashwin would.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
They could have easily lost the second test if Axar was gone. - Thing is Axar won't go. Out of the three spinners, one would always make a score. If Axar hadn't, then Jadeja/Ashwin would.
This is what ends up happening match after match, series after series, year after year.
 

PaulLennon

U19 Vice-Captain
This is what ends up happening match after match, series after series, year after year.
And it will keep happening. They are decent 30+ averaging batsmen who come into bat when the ball is old and bowlers are a bit tired. The chance of all three of them failing is rare.

If all three fail say like in the 3rd Eng test 2021 (Sundar in place of Jadeja) then that's cause the wicket is a minefield and that means they'll just carve the opposition batting like what happened in that test.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
India is not as invincible in India like a lot of posters here have mentioned. They could have easily lost the second test if Axar was gone. While Ashwin-Jadeja-Axar have been deadly, they still need the runs to defend and they are required to get those runs too themselves.

With the current Indian top order, every team has a chance to win in India.
Look at the bright side: our transition phase once the oldies go can't possibly be any more painful.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
How about the transition side once Ashwin and Jadeja go?
Shouldn't be too bad. Obvious drop in quality to be expected but we have a couple of decent spinners in the shed. Be harder to replace their batting chops in India though; hopefully by then the top order would look different and bedded in.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Shouldn't be too bad. Obvious drop in quality to be expected but we have a couple of decent spinners in the shed. Be harder to replace their batting chops in India though; hopefully by then the top order would look different and bedded in.
Mm yeah even in this tour though they've looked a clear tier above Axar in terms of craft though. I haven't actually been very impressed with him.
 

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
I think Ashwin will play for 2 more years and Jadeja for 4 more years till age 38. Hopefully, Axar, Kuldeep and Sundar develop their skills in these few years to take up lead duties for India.
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
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Hope it's nothing serious but that type of travel would have an impact on his match preparation for sure
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Bazball wouldn’t do **** against good quality bowling attacks
Its really starting to come across as just copium at this point. I think there was a Bazball thread where I would like to address this in detail but Bazball is not mindless slogging as the lazy ones wanna portray it. To me, in essence, it is just a mindset and approach thing where the batsmen are looking to see if they can score first, and if they can't, then they defend. And with modern batsmen being brought up on a diet of T20 batting, it makes sense. Maybe by default they get into better positions to play the ball when they are looking to hit it.

One of my pet peeves about batting in test cricket has always been the fact that batsmen defend balls they can easily score off, just because muh test cricket. England still defend and play out good bowling when it cant be attacked. You are right, their real test will come when they lose more than 1 game or lose a series coz playing Bazball, they will lose games they could draw for sure. They are also winning games they could draw and maybe winning games they would lose. That is when that commitment will be tested and we will have to see if they have the strength of character to see it through that sort of period and still play like this.

But given how modern batsmen are being raised, to me at least, this approach has as much chance of success as any going around in world cricket as far as test matches go.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
It was completely India's fault - the test was only a week or so before the IPL and the Indians pulled out due to concerns about having Covid in the camp.

If a player had caught Covid, they'd have to miss part of the IPL. As usual it was all about the money, money,money.

They were so concerned they left it until about 2 hours before the test was due to start to pull out.
It is BCCI's fault more than the players. The players wanting to push the test back by a week was understandable. BCCI not pushing IPL schedules around it was the stupid part.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
One of my pet peeves about batting in test cricket has always been the fact that batsmen defend balls they can easily score off, just because muh test cricket.
Yeah this is the key for me. Did Head go out on the evening of Day 2 and just start slogging mindlessly? No, he noticed that Ashwin was bowling really full, so he decided to attack those deliveries in the most natural way - hitting straight and through the line of the ball by getting to the pitch. Which somehow got translated into "attack everything" the next morning.

(Incidentally, he also unfortunately got out in exactly the way I feared - pushing with his hands way out at a ball which was a bit shorter in length)
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah this is the key for me. Did Head go out on the evening of Day 2 and just start slogging mindlessly? No, he noticed that Ashwin was bowling really full, so he decided to attack those deliveries in the most natural way - hitting straight and through the line of the ball by getting to the pitch. Which somehow got translated into "attack everything" the next morning.
There are also batsmen who genuinely have a better chance of pulling off an attacking stroke than a defensive one. Its really all about shot selection, the ability to play percentages as far as your attacking strokes go and then defending when you get balls you can't attack, hopefully with lesser fielders around you coz you have already got them to spread the field a bit. And of course, getting singles with the boundary riders back. It is not a bad philosophy at all.

Of course, it comes down to individuals as we see even with England, Foakes is not exactly looking to bat at a 100 SR, or even Crawley is not trying to smash across the line every other ball. Individuals should still work out their best method but as an overall approach and attitude, it has its benefits IMO.

Head is a very good example. I think Khawaja on the other hand, tends to play more defensively and him playing too many shots will not work out for him. I would say he was pretty lucky even in the first innings here. Once you got the field spread out, then you can get to play at the tempo that suits you, I guess.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Good. Aside from those three changes it doesn't make any sense at all to change anyone else.

Honestly if anything this team needs more stability in selection, not less. It's clear the selectors have been a little too trigger-happy in messing around with both the batting and bowling and it's destabilised the team.
The side I posted would be their best shot, IMO. Khawaja, Head, Labu, Smith, Handscomb, Green, Carey, Starc, Cummins, Murphy, Lyon.
 

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