*Official* Australia in India 2023

[honestbharani]

Great day of cricket. Nice normal pitch, good cricket, took good bowling to get wickets for the most part. And good batting in the last bit of the day by Rohit.

Only KL can be a red mark even on a good day overall.

 

[Gob]

Lol this is some next level gambhiring. India dominated today but Smith and Marnus looked really solid before copping some good balls, and usman got a rare low score in subcontinent conditions.

He supports India so its the opposite of Gambhiring

I struggle to see how Australia could win a game though. I mean its pretty clear when you have 3 spinners as good as India have, a visiting team only going to win here by somehow holding them off for couple of games and then having a lot of luck going their way. Today was one if those days for Aust as they won a significant toss and their two best batsmen looked set but still could not capitalize. It is just what it is India are just too good in these conditions

 

[honestbharani]

Forget about what may have happened. I am still asking if you believe that if is appropriate to prepare one half of a pitch a different way than another half based solely on the composition of the opposing team?

I won’t argue whether that happened here or not. But in principle, do you find that it’s against the spirit of fair play to do that, or do you think it’s fair?

In principle, do you think failing to water one area of the pitch for one evening which a crappy "journalist" noticed and sensationalized is what is called "doctoring" a pitch? Do you know for sure that it is all it takes? In principle, do you think you know better than professionals in their field?

And in principle, I think it is stupid and definitely taking home advantage to another level. But then again, so is giving spicy and crappy practice decks that injure batsmen and yet no one seems to take umbrage over that. ?‍

 

[honestbharani]

"We"

Given its England, the "we" is warranted by the entire rest of the world though.

 

[Nintendo]

Rewatching the highlights of the days play. Geez that usman shot was loose, no need to flick a ball like that second over of the day with the new ball swinging. That smith dismissal also kind on concerns me aswell. His entire modus operendai in 2017 was playing for the straight one and not being concerned if the spinners beat the outside edge of the bat. Jadeja produced a good ball to get rid of him, but I doubt that smith get's out to that if he's following his 2017 mindset.

 

[honestbharani]

The supposed condition of the pitch played weird tricks in the minds of the batsmen today that most of them got dismissed in perfectly ok or straight balls.

That Jaddu ball to Smith will go down as a legendary one. Smith was looking really well set and could have taken the match somewhere else.

You say that, but Labu and Rohit were the best batsmen on show today, followed by Carey. Smith was changing his technique based on everything in his head about the pitch than what was happening out there. I made this point even as he was batting. It just seems like we have gotten into their heads and apparently that was all that whole watering thing was about.

 

[silentstriker]

In principle, do you think failing to water one area of the pitch for one evening which a crappy "journalist" noticed and sensationalized is what is called "doctoring" a pitch? Do you know for sure that it is all it takes? In principle, do you think you know better than professionals in their field?

This is why I conceded the point for this argument because this is not the one I want to be having. I don't particularly care about this one instance.

And in principle, I think it is stupid and definitely taking home advantage to another level.

So, is this "another level" is something that we should accept or should be called out as unfair?

 

[honestbharani]

This is why I conceded the point for this argument because this is not the one I want to be having. I don't particularly care about this one instance.



So, is this "another level" is something that we should accept or should be called out as unfair?

Do you think uneven and crappy practice wickets that injure batsmen in practice are unfair?

 

[silentstriker]

Sure. Fine. Forget Nagpur. I’ll concede for the sake of argument that everything was treated equally etc and the pitch preparation for this game was perfect.

Let’s say you had a brand new stadium, and a pitch, and you had a visiting team with 6 left handed batsmen in their top eight, is it ok to specifically treat certain areas of the pitch where the ball may pitch against them differently compared to the areas for your own right handed side - and in the next series assuming now the batting is switched (eg you now have mostly LHBs and they have RHBs), to prepare the inverse?

we will see when such a thing happens

Well, the problem with an answer like that my friend is that for many people [and I am not accusing you particularly] their stance will depend solely on which side of the fence they find themselves on when such a thing happens. That's why I believe it is important to take a position beforehand so we can judge it fairly and not be colored by our emotions and feelings at the time. We are all human and are all susceptible to this. This is why you have rules in sports that are written down that hopefully don't change in the middle of a match.

I get the feeling, and you are free to correct me if I am going too far, that you indeed believe that such a thing [were it to occur] should not be allowed, but you are worried that you saying that out loud will somehow make you in agreement about those that are criticizing the Nagpur pitch preparation in this instance. I don't think that to be the case. You can come out and say a particular act is wrong while not conceding that such an act was committed in this specific instance.

 

[silentstriker]

Do you think uneven and crappy practice wickets that injure batsmen in practice are unfair?

Yes, absolutely. I believe that it is unfair and entirely unethical to deliberately prepare wickets [practice or otherwise] that cause injury.

 

[Sunil1z]

IND are 77/1 . Aus were 77/2 . Not much difference at this stage.

 

[Shri]

that you indeed believe that such a thing would be illegal

what the ****

we are not going far enough

we should actually be making it spin more and leave it uncovered etc

worst thing that happens in asian "doctored" pitches is batsmen look foolish skill wise. pitches prepared to be too bouncy can kill people and take people out in practice games before a series begins.

 

[silentstriker]

what the ****

we are not going far enough

we should actually be making it spin more and leave it uncovered etc

I would be fine with more spin! A lot more spin at that! I've got no problems with that.

I would not be okay with waiting to see how many LHBs and RHBs are in a team and preparing one part of the pitch a certain way compared to another part. That is my particular line. Yours may differ, and that's fine - which is why I wanted to ask your opinion on this hypothetical scenario. If you believe it's okay to prepare the pitch differently for RHBs and LHBs depending on the current composition of home vs. away teams, that's cool, and we can discuss that. But we can't have that discussion when people aren't giving a straight answer. Indeed, there is some line (eg, no one would say find the place where the opposition bowlers start their run-up, and if its a different place than our bowlers, then make that part of the field so that it's easy to trip or catch your ankle just in that spot). But that's an extreme example and there is a lot of gray areas below that. And we are allowed to differ on where that line is. That's totally reasonable. Hence the hypothetical scenarios we can ask about to gauge how different our opinions are before we can begin to discuss coming to a consensus.

 

[Shri]

I would not be fine with waiting to see how many LHBs and RHBs are in a team and preparing one part of the pitch a certain way

ok listen

you do not know what the **** was happening to the pitch and i don't either. but i have read articles that seem to indicate that there may have been legitimate reasons for the curators doing what they did

if that story does not pass the sniff test when officials consider things after everything is over, i am fine with criticisms and outrage at that point

for now, none of us know what the **** happened except for a ****ing twitter post so lets wait before passing judgement

 

[silentstriker]

ok listen

you do not know what the **** was happening to the pitch and i don't either. but i have read articles that seem to indicate that there may have been legitimate reasons for the curators doing what they did

if that story does not pass the sniff test when officials consider things after everything is over, i am fine with criticisms and outrage at that point

for now, none of us know what the **** happened except for a ****ing twitter post so lets wait before passing judgement

Dude. This is the third time I have said that I am conceding this point. I am not talking about this pitch. I am talking about a situation where a groundskeeper came and asked you, for the next match, if he should prepare the pitch differently based on RHB vs LHB team composition, would you say it is OK for him to do so?

 

[Shri]

then what the **** are you talking about bc

 

[silentstriker]

then what the **** are you talking about bc

I do not think I can make myself clearer, but it is clear that I am not communicating my position well because you aren't understanding me.

So let's move on and enjoy a wonderful Test and Series.

 

[Shri]

 

[centurymaker]

IND are 77/1 . Aus were 77/2 . Not much difference at this stage.

250 All out

 

[Sunil1z]

I am bored of pitch talk . Please give it a rest .
Please discuss about Sir Jadeja supremacy against Aus in last 120 years ?