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What is the best 'below ATG' XI?

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
I don't think <45 batting and >30 bowling are equally "non-AVG".
Post-war, there are:
- 887 batsmen with 10+ innings in the top 7, of whom 107 have a 45+ batting average
- 573 bowlers with 25+ wickets, of whom 198 have a <30 bowling average.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Without writing a ****load of players names down to specifically include, he’s given a statistical guideline. Besides otherwise the thread would devolve into “is this player ATG”
Yeah I wanted to classify those who may have been good but didn't have the statistical output to show for it.

Initially I thought below 40 for batsmen, but I thought that may be too restrictive.
 

BazBall21

International Captain
England below ATG XI

Gooch
Cook
Dexter
Cowdrey
Thorpe
Stewart
Grieg
Flintoff
Swann
Snow
Anderson
 
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BazBall21

International Captain
Poor Stewart, forced to take the gloves again.

Anderson will likely make the real XI.
Good point about Anderson actually. Willis or Statham can replace him then. Thorpe over Gower/KP probably one of my most controversial opinions but not fussed between those three.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Ravi seems unusually off the boil today on comms. Thought Washy just came on when he had already bowled an over, missed the fact that the earlier appeal was striking Chapman outside off when playing a shot (said it was umpire's call) and then said Chapman has come out when he was already there and it was Philipps who was the new batsman.

Guessing UP is not a dry state like Gujarat. :laugh:
 

srbhkshk

International Captain
Ravi seems unusually off the boil today on comms. Thought Washy just came on when he had already bowled an over, missed the fact that the earlier appeal was striking Chapman outside off when playing a shot (said it was umpire's call) and then said Chapman has come out when he was already there and it was Philipps who was the new batsman.

Guessing UP is not a dry state like Gujarat. :laugh:
Are you saying his commentary is below ATG.
 

Line and Length

Cricketer Of The Year
The OP states "Bowlers all averaging no less than 30" yet people keep posting teams with the likes of Walsh (24.4), Anderson (26.1), Snow (26.7).
By all means, have your opinion as to which players are below ATG, but why muddy the waters when the parameters were set in the OP.
 

bagapath

International Captain
a xi of post-war batters averaging under 45 and bowlers averaging more than 30 and wk with batting average below 25

First XI

Greenidge
Gooch
Ian Chappell (C)
Gower
Martin Crowe
Stokes
DL Murray (wk)
Lee
Qadir
Sarfraz
Srinath

Second XI

Jayasuriya
Taylor (C)
Boon
Viswanath
Aravinda
Shakib
Flintoff
Bob Taylor (wk)
Zaheer
Lawson
Prasanna
 

Line and Length

Cricketer Of The Year
a xi of post-war batters averaging under 45 and bowlers averaging more than 30 and wk with batting average below 25

First XI

Greenidge
Gooch
Ian Chappell (C)
Gower
Martin Crowe
Stokes
DL Murray (wk)
Lee
Qadir
Sarfraz
Srinath

Second XI

Jayasuriya
Taylor (C)
Boon
Viswanath
Aravinda
Shakib
Flintoff
Bob Taylor (wk)
Zaheer
Lawson
Prasanna

Third XI

Haynes
Gibbs
Cowdrey
Abbas
Bell
M.Waugh
Greig (C)
Tallon
Hoggard
Siddle
Lyon
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
a xi of post-war batters averaging under 45 and bowlers averaging more than 30 and wk with batting average below 25

First XI

Greenidge
Gooch
Ian Chappell (C)
Gower
Martin Crowe
Stokes
DL Murray (wk)
Lee
Qadir
Sarfraz
Srinath

Second XI

Jayasuriya
Taylor (C)
Boon
Viswanath
Aravinda
Shakib
Flintoff
Bob Taylor (wk)
Zaheer
Lawson
Prasanna
1st XI - Crowe averages too much.

2nd XI - There are lots of openers better than Jayasuriya and Mark Taylor. Turner for instance.

You've picked 2 allrounders when only one is eligible.
 
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ataraxia

International Coach
how have two Taylors been selected and neither is Ross? Also Crowe averages over 45. Also Lyon > Prasanna/Qadir. Also no Evans?
 

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