I rate Imran in the top five pacers ever so the difference in bowling is not enough for me. Imran is a proper lower order bat while Hadlee is a borderline tailender. Also captaincy in Imran's favor.Hadlee overall slightly. Imran is in the top the 10 pacers ever, but Hadlee is in the top 3 ever, and amongst the six(except Bradman)or so I consider to have absolutely mastered their respective disciplines(others being Sachin, Marshall, McGrath, Hobbs, Viv). Even in this group, Sachin and Marshall stand out. The difference between their primary skills and Imran’s bowling is for me equal to the difference between Imran’s batting and Marshall’s odd use as a lower order bat and Sachin’s part time bowling. However in Hadlee’s case the difference between his and Imran’s secondary skill(batting) is lesser than above mentioned and I consider Hadlee to be closer to Marshall than Imran in bowling(if he was midway it would be a tie between him and Imran), so for me the difference in Hadlee and Imran’s bowling is by the slightest margins more than the difference in their batting.
Hadlee averages 27 and averaged in the mid 30s for the last 60% of his career so not a borderline tailender. I don’t consider Imran a top 5 pacer, just outside, but for me there is a gap(not huge, but noticeable) between the top 3 pacers ever McGrath, Marshall and Hadlee and the others. But sure it is very much possible and reasonable to rate Imran amongst the top 5 pacers and better than Hadlee as a player. I also have to mention that Imran is a better allrounder in my view, Hadlee however the better player, both top 6 of all time.I rate Imran in the top five pacers ever so the difference in bowling is not enough for me. Imran is a proper lower order bat while Hadlee is a borderline tailender. Also captaincy in Imran's favor.
Yeah Imran vs. Hadlee is close. It's a bit subjective how one rates the difference in their bowling and batting.Hadlee averages 27 and averaged in the mid 30s for the last 60% of his career so not a borderline tailender. I don’t consider Imran a top 5 pacer, just outside, but for me there is a gap(not huge, but noticeable) between the top 3 pacers ever McGrath, Marshall and Hadlee and the others. But sure it is very much possible and reasonable to rate Imran amongst the top 5 pacers and better than Hadlee as a player. I also have to mention that Imran is a better allrounder in my view, Hadlee however the better player, both top 6 of all time.
Agreed. Depends on how high one rates Imran as a bowler(top 10 as compared to top 5 or so), and yes ofc Imran was the better bat.Yeah Imran vs. Hadlee is close. It's a bit subjective how one rates the difference in their bowling and batting.
Imran was a proper lower order bat for me, and the idea of a top tier ATG bowler and genuine batsman is too tempting a combo to not rate that highly.
Agree with some of this assessment. This is why Hadlee is in my top 5 test cricketers of all time. I disagree with some of the assessment which is why Imran is still ahead of Hadlee.Hadlee overall slightly. Imran is in the top the 10 pacers ever, but Hadlee is in the top 3 ever, and amongst the six(except Bradman)or so I consider to have absolutely mastered their respective disciplines(others being Sachin, Marshall, McGrath, Hobbs, Viv). Even in this group, Sachin and Marshall stand out. The difference between their primary skills and Imran’s bowling is for me equal to the difference between Imran’s batting and Marshall’s odd use as a lower order bat and Sachin’s part time bowling. However in Hadlee’s case the difference between his and Imran’s secondary skill(batting) is lesser than above mentioned and I consider Hadlee to be closer to Marshall than Imran in bowling(if he was midway it would be a tie between him and Imran), so for me the difference in Hadlee and Imran’s bowling is by the slightest margins more than the difference in their batting.
You might want to check Imran's batting average in last 60% of his career. ?Hadlee averages 27 and averaged in the mid 30s for the last 60% of his career so not a borderline tailender.
Imran Khan until 1988 was a better bowler than Hadlee IMO. It's only the last three to four years of his career in which Hadlee overtook him.Hadlee the better bowler overall, but Imran Khan at his peak was possibly tougher to face with being 10 km/hr faster than Hadee and late reverse swing.
Hadlee is in the same tier as Marshall and McGrath, while Imran is a tier or two below. Note that I still voted for Imran despite being from NZ due to batting and captaincy.Not sure how Hadlee got 13 votes. Hadlee and Imran are very much equals in bowling while Imran is a much better bat.
This is my thinking too. You can throw a blanket over the top 10-20 quicks, and even the extreme ends of it (McGrath and Pollock say) the noticeable but small gap in bowling doesn't nerd the bowling allrounder h4x.There seems to be an argument in play here that the difference between a top-5 all time and top-10 all time bowler might outweigh a relatively significant difference in batting ability between two non-elite batsmen. The logic underpinning this must be that the closer you get to elite status, the more significant the differences between players becomes. I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense either intuitively or statistically. If anything I would've thought the differences between elite ATGs tend to be marginal whereas a batting average gap of 10 is an obvious and significant difference.