Most overrated cricketer

[halba]

Mitch starc is the correct answer(away from home he is very very ordinary, great stats at home, the steve harmison of oz)

 

[_00_deathscar]

Those two crowds are the hipster bunch,not the overwhelming majority like Sachin fans. And they all think their guy is better than Bradman too.

The Kohli > Sachin crowd is quite sizable to be fair.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Mitch starc is the correct answer(away from home he is very very ordinary, great stats at home, the steve harmison of oz)

This is such a bad post for so many reasons:

• His home average is 26.29
• His away average is 27.63 (Not including 53.16 for neutral venues, but that's 3 tests - anyway would push it up to what like ~28/28.5 or so for away? Not awful by any means)
• He's definitely improved a lot in the last 12 or so months both home/away
• The issue for him has never been home/away, it's that he's an absolute demon in D/N tests, and just not quite as useful in day matches. Pretty sure prior to his recent improvement, he was averaging well > 30 in Day tests
  Day matches: 64 tests, 243 wickets @ 29.55, SR 53.1
  Day/Night matches: 11 tests, 61 wickets (!) @ 18.16 (!), SR 35.7

 

[Flem274*]

Those stats make sense when you remember he is probably the GOAT ODI fast bowler, regardless of his current mediocrity in the format.

He was the difference in 2015, carried them in 2019, and has been excellent overall.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah, sometimes I have both Wasim and Starc in my ATG ODI XI but the only issue is I want a right armer to take the new ball with one of them. But Starc in peak form is like an ODI bowling God.

 

[ImpatientLime]

anderson averages in the 30s in australia, south africa, new zealand and sri lanka and nearly 30 in india as well...a lot of holes for a player who has played as long as he has, his longevity and improvement in latter years is truly impressive but difficult to classify him as an atg...

he was also englands outstanding seamer in their only test series wins in australia and india this millennium. also displayed some of the finest motorway bowling you'll see in the UAE and pakistan only a month or so ago.

INN-GER-LUND dickheads like alec stewart don't help but i think its fair to rate anderson in the second tier of ATG seamers now.

 

[ImpatientLime]

in their own weird way, ramprakash and hick are overrated. in that there is such bizarre discussions, touching on mystical about why they didn't transfer their unreal FC records to test match levels. when maybe the reality is that english FC cricket is just an absolute hotbed of mediocrity and they simply weren't that good.

 

[peterhrt]

Larwoods whole deal was he was the only bowler to be able to blunt the GOAT batsman over a series, he deserves immense credit for that alone. He was Bradmans only true challenge as a player if his series averages are anything to go by

Not sure how much grief Grimmet and O'Reilly gave him domestically

Judging by the number of county batsmen developing mysterious injuries or illnesses before being due to play against him, Larwood seems to have been the most feared English fast bowler.

Ian Peebles watched cricket for over half a century and said that Larwood was the greatest fast bowler he saw, but that the greatest bowler who could bowl fast was Ted McDonald.

 

[Coronis]

Imran as a bowler, Imran as a batsman, Imran as an allrounder.

 

[shortpitched713]

Imran as an allrounder, yes.

Imran as a bowler, you're out of your mind. And Imran as a batsman is just the necessary component of him being an allrounder, no one really cared about it, deep down (except in ODIs probably).

 

[Coronis]

Imran as an allrounder, yes.

Imran as a bowler, you're out of your mind. And Imran as a batsman is just the necessary component of him being an allrounder, no one really cared about it, deep down (except in ODIs probably).

Nah he was **** for most of his career. Had the best peak no doubt but **** outside of that. Peak (5 years): 145 wickets @ 14.76, rest of career (15.5 years) 217 wickets @ 28.18

 

[Flem274*]

I wish I could be bad enough to take 217 at 28.

 

[honestbharani]

Nah he was **** for most of his career. Had the best peak no doubt but **** outside of that. Peak (5 years): 145 wickets @ 14.76, rest of career (15.5 years) 217 wickets @ 28.18

Is this peak a continuous period ?

 

[shortpitched713]

Nah he was **** for most of his career. Had the best peak no doubt but **** outside of that. Peak (5 years): 145 wickets @ 14.76, rest of career (15.5 years) 217 wickets @ 28.18

He literally was a different player in each of 4 stages of his career:

1) Mediocre specialist bowler, who rightfully got dropped
2) Incredible specialist bowler
3) Extremely good bowling allrounder
4) Batsman who occasionally turned his arm over

Player number 4 only got the chance to exist and prove himself because of the reputation and accomplishments of player number 2 and 3. He never gets picked with that particular set of cricketing skills if not for the fact that he was THE MAN for Pakistan, by that point in his career. It's strange to measure him by his lack of bowling skills as his body is literally deteriorating, and he's only holding a place for the supplemental batting and captaincy contributions.

 

[Coronis]

Is this peak a continuous period ?

Yes, late 81-early 87.

 

[Daemon]

This is such a bad post for so many reasons:

• His home average is 26.29
• His away average is 27.63 (Not including 53.16 for neutral venues, but that's 3 tests - anyway would push it up to what like ~28/28.5 or so for away? Not awful by any means)
• He's definitely improved a lot in the last 12 or so months both home/away
• The issue for him has never been home/away, it's that he's an absolute demon in D/N tests, and just not quite as useful in day matches. Pretty sure prior to his recent improvement, he was averaging well > 30 in Day tests
  Day matches: 64 tests, 243 wickets @ 29.55, SR 53.1
  Day/Night matches: 11 tests, 61 wickets (!) @ 18.16 (!), SR 35.7

He also beats up on the worse batting lineups overseas. Pretty sure that whitewash SL series is helping him immensely with that record.

He’s ok overseas but there’s lots of bowlers in world cricket today who have been better.

 

[ataraxia]

Nah he was **** for most of his career. Had the best peak no doubt but **** outside of that. Peak (5 years): 145 wickets @ 14.76, rest of career (15.5 years) 217 wickets @ 28.18

Explain how that is worse than averaging 22.81 consistently across a career, please.

 

[Coronis]

Explain how that is worse than averaging 22.81 consistently across a career, please.

Again it depends what you value most. Would you prefer a batsman averaging 70 for half his career and 30 for the other half? Or averaging 50 over his whole career?

I prefer consistency rather than massive peaks and troughs when looking at a players career but hey thats just me.

 

[honestbharani]

I think given @Coronis s take on some of the other common comparisons, this does make sense.

But don't you also think Viv > all? He had consistency issues in tests, no?

 

[Prince EWS]

I think given @Coronis s take on some of the other common comparisons, this does make sense.

But don't you also think Viv > all? He had consistency issues in tests, no?

He hates Viv more than anyone, lol.